[noumenon1111]

He glosses over Muslim history and al-Andalus with a "the Muslims were driven out of Spain" like Spain itself wasn't Muslim for almost 800 years. And then, the Enlightenment created the most peaceful time in human history, really? Seems like mutual assured destruction is what makes peace, not sound philosophy.

People are forgetful and argumentative, by nature. The sooner we realize that, the sooner we can have nice things.

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>He glosses over Muslim history and al-Andalus with a "the Muslims were driven out of Spain" like Spain itself wasn't Muslim for almost 800 years.

Yes, the colonists were driven out. We should celebrate any time in history native and indigenous people defeat their colonizers and reclaim their indigenous lands.

[eesmith]

The descendants of the Muslim colonists were defeated by the descendants of the Roman colonists, fighting under the banner of the Roman Church, and not by the native and indigenous people of the Iberian peninsula.

The native and indigenous people of the Iberian peninsula would be the Celtic, Iberian, Celtiberian and Aquitanian tribes conquered, colonized, and assimilated by the Roman Republic. The land was later occupied by the Germanic peoples before entering Muslim rule.

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>The descendants of the Muslim colonists

Yes, colonists, nonnative invaders.

>were defeated by the descendants of the Roman colonists

Incorrect, by native Spaniards whose ancestry is overwhelmingly indigenous:

"Modern Iberians' genetic inheritance largely derives from the pre-Roman inhabitants of the Iberian Peninsula who were deeply Romanized after the conquest of the region by the ancient Romans"[0]

They are the indigenous people to Iberia, not MENA colonists nor Romans.

>fighting under the banner of the Roman Church

Not relevant, still indigenous people.

>and not by the native and indigenous people of the Iberian peninsula.

False as proven above.

>The native and indigenous people of the Iberian peninsula would be the Celtic, Iberian, Celtiberian and Aquitanian tribes conquered, colonized, and assimilated by the Roman Republic.

Spaniards are Iberian, they are the indigenous, native people to Spain. They may have been assimilated into the Roman Republic and Visigothic Kingdom, but they are the indigenous people to their lands.

>The land was later occupied by the Germanic peoples before entering Muslim rule.

Germaic influences leave a smaller genetic mark than Roman in modern Iberia.

"Spaniards, or Spanish people, are an ethnic group and nation indigenous to Spain."[1]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaniards

[noumenon1111]

Many native Iberians who were Muslim were either driven out or were paid an unexpected visit by the Spanish Inquisition.

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A small price to pay.