[crawfordcomeaux]

And the default civilization is violent.

So let us return to the matrilineal, matrifocal ways developed by those who created and nurtured life before we had a language that covered all of our needs and build replacement civilizations from there. Time to get back into the nonbinary animist ways of being.

[weirdmantis69]

I take it you haven't studied those cultures you deify in any great detail have you.

[crawfordcomeaux]

I'm neither naming nor deifying any specific cultures. I'm identifying infinite categories of relationalities. So what is your actual point?

[satisfice]

The last time that was tried, patriarchy devoured it like a delicious chocolate.

Before you can achieve your vision you will have to learn how to appease angry, lustful, ambitious men. The only way patriarchy retires for good is if it is granted a kushy pension.

[krapp]

Nah. I prefer actual medical science keeping me from dying of typhus and cholera to praying to the spirits, but you do you.

[crawfordcomeaux]

The idea that I said something so dualistic like that or that actual caring ways couldn't possibly include healing sciences learned are both delusional projections and a form of dishonesty you practiced on yourself there.

Especially when there have been recent scientific developments regarding learning how ancient ways, such as how bilateral simulation from drumming/dancing in ceremonial ritual trance with polyphonic singing engages the brain and lays the foundation for an embodied state to approach reprocessing trauma to the point of egodeath.

[krapp]

You said we should return to a pre-civilizational state of animist goddess worship. You even implied we should abandon language. That's about as dualistic an option as one can get.

No doctor worth their salt would ever claim that ritual trance and polyphonic singing could replace modern medicine, and I'm guessing that for all of the anarcho-primitivist spiel, you probably take a Tylenol when you have a headache rather than have a shaman trepan your skull to let the demons out.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely agree that patriarchy and capitalism have done vast damage to the world, but the premise that humanity lived in some kind of utopian state of matriarchal harmony in the hunter-gatherer days is just naive. The base of knowledge that led to modern science and medicine isn't the product of patriarchy or capitalism, it's simply reality and that reality freely applies to everyone, everywhere.

We don't need to abandon that, we just need to find a way to apply that knowledge more equitably.