[Bender]

I can't speak for anyone else but I think I can work around that by moving the site around to different VPS nodes from time to time. I get bored with my silly hobby sites all the time and nuke the VM's then fire them up later which gives them a new IP. I don't know what others might do if anything.

If I had a long running site I could do the same thing by having multiple font-end caching nodes using HAProxy or NGinx that come and go but I acknowledge others may not have the time to do that and most probably would not.

[duskwuff]

That's not quite it. The issue is that there's no other traffic bound to that IP - ECH doesn't buy you any security, because an observer doesn't even need to look at the content of the traffic to know where it's headed.

[Bender]

Maybe it will be more useful for outbound from NGinx or HAProxy to the origin server using ECH so the destination ISP has no idea what sites are on the origin assuming that traffic is not passing over a VPN already.

[ameliaquining]

Anyone who wants to track your users can just follow the IP changes as they occur in real time.

[Bender]

Anyone who wants to track your users can just follow the IP changes as they occur in real time.

That's cool. I only make my own mini-CDN's.

There is always the option to put sites on a .onion domain but I don't host anything nearly exciting or controversial enough. For text that's probably a good option. I don't know if Tor is fast enough for binary or streaming sites yet. No idea how many here even know how to access a .onion site.

I will test out your theory and see if anyone bothers to track my IP addresses and does anything with them. I probably need to come up with something edgy that people would want to block. Idea's for something edgy?

[bombcar]

Tor is completely usable at reasonable speeds by even normies via Brave.

[Bender]

That's kindof what I suspected but have not kept up with it.