[shimman]

We had a tech industry prior to H1Bs before the 90s. What we didn't have was Silicon Valley corporatism that doesn't value American labor nor American education. It's why SV is so gun-ho on charter schools and devaluing American labor.

Let's not act like we need to import 80k "high tech" workers that amount to writing react components and spring endpoints.

Hardly anything hard that we couldn't force companies to train workers to do, but they don't want to ever help people they just want to suck up all the money in the room while decimating entire populations.zzzzzzz

Also, as an American I don't really benefit if US corporations are doing "better." How does that help the person that can't pay for healthcare or afford to go to school, but they sure can get their serving of Zuckerberg slop? I'm supposed to care about these companies success? Really? I hope they go down in flames.

The problem is that the rich and elite have captured and dictated American tech policy for far too long.

[thesmtsolver2]

Do you share the same thoughts for blue collar immigrants?

[shimman]

No, because blue collar immigrants aren't working for cartels that hold deeply undemocratic views.

[munksbeer]

It is interesting to see the different views on immigration. Here in the UK, leading up to the brexit vote, everyone said blue collar workers were the problem, because they depressed wages for the poor and made the middle class richer because they could build cheaper houses, pick cheaper crops, etc.

In Singapore, the rage is mostly against higher earner immigrants, because they take all the good jobs, making the middle class in Singapore poorer.

I'm sensing a bit of a mix in your US centric argument.

All in all, a lot of people just hate immigration, always have, always will. It is a topic as old as time.

[lateforwork]

> people just hate immigration, always have, always will

"We have always been a nation of immigrants who hate the newer immigrants." -- Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

Really it is not immigration people hate, it is having to compete for food.

[lateforwork]

> How does that help the person that can't pay for healthcare or afford to go to school

How would you like to make t-shirts for rich Chinese, for $5 an hour? There is a reason Americans are not doing that. It is because we are smarter than the rest of the world. How do you think that happened? Were all the smart people born here? Nope. It is because smart people born around the world immigrated here. The prosperity they bring doesn't only help high tech workers, it feeds the economy, so everyone benefits.

[shimman]

I mean we aren't doing it because capitalists decided they would rather move the factories outside of the country because they don't care about workers.

Americans are absolutely willing to work in factors, but capitalists want chattel slave workers instead.

Your view of history is farcical, acting as if American workers had any real say in their countries industrial capacity rather than a few thousand people decided to inflict mass poverty to tens of millions of Americans.