[ozim]

You sound like you would confidently say that you can play chess. Basic moves are easy to learn by very young children.

But if only thing you know are basic moves playing against a player with 1600 ELO you are not going to win without serious training and 1600 is still far below grand master level.

[9rx]

Absolutely. I am quite capable of moving the pieces around a chess board within the confines of the rules. I think you would be hard-pressed to find many who are incapable of that, given exposure to the game. If that isn't easy, what is? I am not all that good at figuring out what moves to make, but that analogs with "what to program", not "programming" as it pertains to the discussion that has been talking place. Nobody has ever suggested "what to program" is easy.

[ozim]

You missed the point.

At some level even if you know basic moves those moves are wrong.

Some things are hard to express in code even if you know exactly what you need to achieve and you know all the basic moves like loops and if statements.

If you know that you have to do a check mate or get amount of points and you know how to do basic moves but you don’t know any openings you are going to loose in 3-5 moves. If you get past openings you might get to 15 moves. If you do easiest greedy approach you loose if you take easiest defensive approach you loose.

It is not „what to program” because in chess you exactly know what is the goal. Getting to that goal alone is hard.

[9rx]

> Some things are hard to express in code even if you know exactly what you need to achieve and you know all the basic moves like loops and if statements.

Like what? Are you, perhaps, confusing "hard" with "time consuming"? Some things take a long time to express in code (absent AI, at least). It's not hard, though. It's just rote copying down what you have already determined "what needs to be programmed". Getting to the point where it is just rote copying can be difficult, but is decidedly in the "what to program" phase.

[ozim]

Well we don’t operate on the same definitions so I agree to disagree and move on.

Giving an example will take too much time from my perspective in regards to how much time I am willing to spend here arguing. Have a great day

[9rx]

So what you are saying is that writing is easy, but figuring out what to write is hard?