[watwut]

First, Hungary is not a "a bit of a flip flop in terms of democracy". They are just not fully democratic country anymore, full stop. The system there did not changed, judiciary, media and the rest of the country are as much in the hands of a leader and easy to be abused as yesterday. The person on top of it changed. He did promised reforms, it remains to be seen whether they happen or not.

But second, regardless of Hungary, anyone can veto is dysfunctional system.

> unless you want to create a group where everyone thinks the same.

Everyone has veto is literally a system where everyone must think the same, else nothing will happen.

> Removing veto power probably makes it more likely that the next Orban pulls them out of the EU entirely which might not be in the interest of the alliance.

That would be bad for Hungary, but good for the rest of Europe. Hungary presence in EU was damaging to EU for years now.

[dh2022]

Ditto. EU would be much better without Hungary. And if on their way out Hungary could leave with Slovakia that would be even better.

[_zoltan_]

We are fully democratic as shown by outing Orban last night.

Doesn't mean we should just blindly vote with the herd.

[redeeman]

> Everyone has veto is literally a system where everyone must think the same, else nothing will happen.

thats not true, it just means that everone must not be extremely opposed to something for it to happen.

[watwut]

No, it means anyone can make any decision hostage. They do not need to be extremely opposed. They just need to slightly not want it.

[dh2022]

This is a very simplistic view. There are benefits to approving things one dislikes slightly: like being able to influence decisions which are personally important. Rejecting things you disagree a bit with just because you can leads to being ignored. Like for example Orban - did anyone in the EU take this guy seriously in the past few years? EU more or less talked over his head (and the head of Slovakia as well)

[redeeman]

and yet this is clearly not what has happened. you COULD make any decision hostage, but thats not what anyone does, as such, the veto has a very important purpose, and removing it would be betraying the terms that the union was based on, just because people are now members. its basically "I altered the deal, pray I dont alter it further"