[JumpCrisscross]

> what are people without billions of dollars and without the ear of the president supposed to do to affect change in this modern, post-capitalist hellscape?

California has a referendum system. Get signatures for a policy and put it to the voters.

[abenga]

The billionaires will blanket the airwaves with bad-faith argument ads and you will lose.

[JumpCrisscross]

> billionaires will blanket the airwaves with bad-faith argument ads and you will lose

This is a long way to say you don’t have the votes. Airwaves affect turnout. They don’t flip people on positions.

[vkou]

> They don’t flip people on positions.

They absolutely do. On September 12, 2001, ~nobody in the United States was interested in starting a war with Iraq.

Two years of propaganda later, and all of a sudden, half the population had acquired keen geopolitical insights which necessitated an invasion and occupation of a country that had exactly fuck-all to do with 9/11.

A decade later, all of a sudden, nobody wanted to fess up to wanting anything to do with that mess.

Public wants aren't discovered in some interference-free democratic vacuum. The people who own the press put a millstone on their side of the scales.

[JumpCrisscross]

> Two years of propaganda later, and all of a sudden, half the population had acquired keen geopolitical insights which necessitated an invasion and occupation of a country that had exactly fuck-all to do with 9/11

There was desire for vengeance on 12 September. Reporting and politicians channeled it. That’s very different from driving consensus against something people would otherwise support.

[vkou]

You're proving my point. The thumb was put on the scale, he public was bombarded 24/7 with self-serving false dichotomies and viola, you've just manufactured mass public support for insane bullshit.

It works the same way in other countries too. Look at any country that you believe to believe in insane shit - most of those beliefs aren't organic.

Neither are the insane things you believe in. It's just that you can't even see that they aren't the product of your own reasoning. Fish don't have a word for water.

[cruffle_duffle]

> You're proving my point. The thumb was put on the scale, he public was bombarded 24/7 with self-serving false dichotomies and viola, you've just manufactured mass public support for insane bullshit.

See also Covid-19. Same shit only waaaaaaay more batshit insane and waaaaaaaay more crazy 24-7 fear mongering.