[kisamoto]

It's worth considering why you are choosing a European stack.

Is it to support local/European companies - Great. Is it because you don't want to be at risk of the US and the CLOUD Act - Not so great. Any company that has servers in the US (which Hetzner and basically all CDNs do) are still vulnerable to the CLOUD Act and that includes servers in Europe.

[mhitza]

That doesn't sound right. https://docs.hetzner.com/general/company-and-policy/data-pro...

If you spin up your servers in EU locations they are under German ownership and EU regulation. Others, such as those in the US, are owned by a subsidiary and those are subject separately on the Cloud Act. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[sneak]

Do you really think German intelligence authorities don’t do what the US asks them to do?

[tux3]

That is not the CLOUD act, that is shifting the goalpost to some sort of defeatist helplessness.

[alex_duf]

At the rate things are going, yeah there will be a point where intelligence services aren't going to be happily cooperating across the Atlantic, that is unless there is a clear mutual benefit in doing so.

[PeterStuer]

Do you really think there is 0 difference?

[LarsKrimi]

I can tell you why. It's not the cost (even though it certainly helps)

For my company it's about the "pulling the plug" usecase. We create a SaaS product for semi-critical infrastructure - we don't need 99% uptime but more than a few hours and it's problematic.

Sure, most cloud/VPS providers have sites in the US as well, but worst case only those places would be affected if the US decided to do a Special Military Operation on Greenland for example.

[dwedge]

This is so weird to me. So many tech writers seemed to suddenly decide this was a possibility at the same time, and based on what? How much energy was wasted on this thought experiment? And if the US does pull the plug and disconnects Europe, how likely do you think it is that you'll be unaffected?

[LarsKrimi]

I'm a resident of a country regularly mentioned by the commander in chief who has recently bombed a head-of-state and his family with AGM-114 Hellfire missiles, and captured the head of state of a neighbouring state by military means.

All without congressional approval. And apparently without the US population knowing about it.

Why risk using US tech?

It costs more, and the people running it likely may not be my friends

[dwedge]

In your case, being cut off is a real possibility. In the EU case it's just larping and the author of every one of those articles is probably still using Claude, cloudflare and a dozen other companies.

[Boltgolt]

> So many tech writers seemed to suddenly decide this was a possibility at the same time

Wonder if any large geopolitical rifts happened eh. I soul would not host my application in Russia either for instance