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I've been filing complaints since a year ago, told others to do the same too, nothing happens. There been moments I've meant to deploy fixes to issues but I cannot, because some tooling goes offline.

I've claimed financial loss, claimed sanity loss and everything in-between, but I'm afraid unless something reaches the European/EU courts, Spain will continue to be in the pocket of the La Liga owners.

Straight up fucking censorship with wide collateral being completely accepted in a Western country in 2026, beyond comprehension how this is allowed.

[ryandrake]

Whenever I get a little down over how much power unelected corporations have in my country, I can at least cheer myself up a little by being thankful that something as stupid as football doesn't have enough power here to control whether or not I have internet access.

[necovek]

La Liga is basically operating like an "unelected corporation" as well.

[mrroper]

The problem is probably just distributed responsibility. If I lived in Spain I'd set their website as my proxy for everything that doesn't work before I filed my complaints so they could directly address each problem..

[embedding-shape]

Ignorance is a bliss, agree :) Sometimes we all need to force ourselves into that so we can get a bit more joy.

[sneak]

It would if it were bigger business in your country. Try torrenting an MCU movie and see what happens to your ISP account.

[bombcar]

Someone in Texas torrenting an MCU slop doesn’t disconnect me from half the Internet.

[voidUpdate]

In my experience, nothing...

[fn-mote]

Out of curiosity, what does happen?

[sneak]

Your ISP sends you a "strike" letter, and eventually cancels your service if you continue to receive them.

[Semaphor]

AFAIK not much in most of the world, in Germany you get a letter from lawyers wanting ~1000 EUR

[SturgeonsLaw]

In Australia the court ruled that they can only sue for the cost of renting the movie, so they don't bother trying to recoup their ten bucks

[iamtedd]

That's interesting. Do you have further reading? I've seen AFACT v iiNet, but that doesn't look to be the source of "cost of renting", just that the ISP isn't responsible for their users.

[Sanzig]

Canada is capped at $5k for noncommercial infringement, and even at that amount it still isn't worth it for the copyright holder to go to court.

[rock_artist]

If anyone who’s capable in Spain set a petition or the relevant steps and put it on HN. I’m pretty sure any Spanish resident in HN would be more than happy to take part even if it means to send a Bizum for the cause.

(Sadly as living in Spain for about a year I’m still not in such place to raise this or understand the full steps needed)

[drnick1]

If this is done at the DNS level, run your own DNS. If not, use a VPN. Taking this to the courts is a long term solution, but in the short term you want to act on your own to evade censorship and oppression.

[gschizas]

> run your own DNS

Can you expand on that? How would you go about running your own DNS that wouldn't be affected by football leagues?

[martheen]

If it's purely DNS blocking (no IP redirection or blocking), your own recursive resolver (eg, unbound) shouldn't be affected, assuming the ISP doesn't also intercept unencrypted DNS queries. If there's also interception, encrypted DNS upstream might help (assuming they're not blocked entirely, repressive countries do this, so far not in EU)

I don't think any of them will help in Spain case though, I believe the ISP/court choose to block the IP range entirely, which hit Cloudflare customers. DNS hijinks won't solve those.

[madaxe_again]

It’s football. I’m pretty sure there are a great many countries you could induce to do insane things if the populace could be made to believe that said insane things will help football.

I mean, didn’t El Salvador and Honduras go to war over football back in the 60’s? And I seem to recall there was a football match which helped precipitate the dissolution of Yugoslavia - national identities coalesced around football tribes.

[dariosalvi78]

these things need to be brought to an international court who would require the government to act. Otherwise nothing happens, because institutions are completely corrupt.

It takes time, money and a strong legal team, but maybe IT companies maybe can put this together?

[emptysongglass]

Because the EU as a whole is quite happy to censor and generally wield the same tricks as "non-Western" countries in their desires to combat misinformation (however our EU bureaucrats define it), child abuse materials (see Chat Control that thing is not going to go away), and hatred (oh boy).

We've never guaranteed the right to free speech and because we haven't it's a slippery slope all the way back down to the furnaces of autocracy we sprang from.

The Spanish president has come out on record saying we don't deserve anonymity on the internet.

[megous]

Not sure why you get downvoted. EU censors quite a bit. I can't read about 10 Telegram channels that I could access just 3 years ago, and the list is growing. All due to "vioalted laws of [my country]". (said near-east related channels have nothing to do with my country, government just doesn't want me to read them)

Some people deemed "russian assets" are not just censored, but stripped of ability to leave EU and prevented from being able to live in EU at the same time by financial sanctions, etc. Of course this doesn't happen to actual politicians in power, for whatever reason those never get sanctioned by EC, despite doing more "damage" than random blabberheads on twitter.

It's a mess.

[embedding-shape]

> EU censors quite a bit

"EU" doesn't censor anything, there isn't even any authority nor infrastructure that could do that.

Individual countries, like Spain, does have a bunch of censorship though, this is pretty clear and evident already. But I think if you want to share something useful or even informative, you need to add what country this experience of yours is about, because it's not true in any/every EU country.

[megous]

EU censors centrally: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=uriserv:...

Other ways EU censors centrally are EU wide travel bans that individual countries can issue to prevent political speech by foreigners, under the guise of preventing "incitement" and preserving "stability". Doctor Ghassan Abu Sitta from UK is one prominent example.

Yet other way EU censors centrally are EC sanctions on individual journalists or "journalists" to prevent them from any economic activity within EU, incl. publishing.

Other way EU censors centrally is via DSA, which results in seemingly random bans of channels on "social media" like Telegram, under the guise of fighting "terrorism". Basically this way it tries to silence people it otherwise supports killing without due process.

[lentil_soup]

how do you make claims, here: https://usuariosteleco.digital.gob.es/? Can't find a way of doing it with Cl@ve

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I've used this: https://usuariosteleco.digital.gob.es/reclamaciones/telefoni...

Used my digital certificate (which is installed in the browser), but AFAIK, you can use Cl@ve on that page above too.

In the past, I've cited BOE-A-2022-10757 (https://www.boe.es/buscar/act.php?id=BOE-A-2022-10757), done a reclamació for the repeated loss of lawful access on my connection, and a denúncia about a broader overblocking practice affecting access to lawful services.

Also, supposedly, we should be able to make claims to CNMC as well, but haven't figured out how. Also of course, been complaining to my ISP every time it happens too.

[GranPC]

I think this is it: https://reg.redsara.es/#login