[weavie]

How good are local LLMs at coding these days? Does anyone have any recommendations for how to get this setup? What would the minimum spend be for usable hardware?

I am getting bored of having to plan my weekends around quota limit reset times...

[throwaway2027]

Some claim that some of the recent smaller local models are as good as Sonnet 4.5 of last year and the bigger high-end models can be as almost as good as Claude, Gemini and Codex today, but some say they're benchmaxed and not representative.

To try things out you can use llama.cpp with Vulkan or even CPU and a small model like Gemma 4 26B-A4B or Gemma 4 31B or Qwen 3.5 35-A3B or Qwen3.5 27B. Some of the smaller quants fit within 16GB of GPU memory. The default people usually go with now is Q4_K_XL, a 4-bit quant for decent performance and size.

https://huggingface.co/unsloth/gemma-4-26B-A4B-it-GGUF

https://huggingface.co/unsloth/gemma-4-31B-it-GGUF

https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Qwen3.5-35B-A3B-GGUF

https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Qwen3.5-27B-GGUF

Get a second hand 3090/4090 or buy a new Intel Arc Pro B70. Use MoE models and offload to RAM for best bang for your buck. For speed try to find a model that fits entirely within VRAM. If you want to use multiple GPUs you might want to switch to vLLM or something else.

You can try any of the following models:

High-end: GLM 5.1, MiniMax 2.7

Medium: Gemma 4, Qwen 3.5

https://unsloth.ai/docs/models/minimax-m27

https://unsloth.ai/docs/models/glm-5.1

https://unsloth.ai/docs/models/gemma-4

https://unsloth.ai/docs/models/qwen3.5

https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp

[weavie]

Thank you, I'll look into it. For someone who is used to just working with second hand thinkpads, this stuff gets expensive fast!

[ac29]

The very best open models are maybe 3-12 months behind the frontier and are large enough that you need $10k+ of hardware to run them, and a lot more to run them performantly. ROI here is going to be deeply negative vs just using the same models via API or subscription.

You can run smaller models on much more modest hardware but they aren't yet useful for anything more than trivial coding tasks. Performance also really falls off a cliff the deeper you get into the context window, which is extra painful with thinking models in agentic use cases (lots of tokens generated).

[rexreed]

You can also run these models on the cloud with Ollama. You might say what's the difference, but these are models whose performance will stay consistent over time, whether run locally or in the cloud. For $200 a year I'm getting some pretty fantastic results running GLM 5.1 and even Minimax 2.7 and Kimi 2.5 and Gemma 4 on Ollama's cloud instances. And if you don't like Ollama's cloud instance, you can run it on your own cloud instance from the very same providers that Ollama is using. They use NVIDIA cloud providers (NCPs) although not sure which ones specifically and claims that the "cloud does not retain your data to ensure privacy and security." [https://ollama.com/blog/cloud-models]

[weavie]

Interesting. On the pricing page, there are still limits placed on the usage. How restrictive have you found them?

[weavie]

What are the best open models?

[mathieudombrock]

This includes open and closed models ranked by popularity and other metrics.

https://openrouter.ai/rankings

[mathieudombrock]

This includes open and closed models ranked by popularity and other metrics.

https://openrouter.ai/rankings