[vrganj]

As a European, the Anti-Americanism is not performative.

It's a deep disconnect in values, brought to the forefront by the current administration and the oligarchs running wild.

America used to be seen as an example, the big brother watching out for us.

Now it's a cautionary tale of greed, hubris and societal decay, as well as an increasingly antagonistic actor of global instability.

Y'all ruined your reputation and the fact you're trying to pin that on us is just another example of said hubris. Until you at least own up to it, there's no viable path to recovery.

[will4274]

You're right about the values disconnect. In America, we believe in democracy and individual rights. In Europe, y'all still have kings and queens and authoritarian governments.

[8note]

do you still believe in democracy?

every election, americans make a big stink about how you belive in republicanism because democracy is evil, and that being a republic is somehow mutually exclusive with democracy

[vrganj]

It is quite silly to say things like that while armed paramilitaries patrol your streets and throw innocent people in torture campsm

[slibhb]

It's mostly performative, and posts like this prove the point.

[vrganj]

Meanwhile, I believe your post proves my point. Funny how perspective works, isn't it?

It feels like the last tantrum of a dying empire from our vantage point.

Sad, but ultimately irrelevant.

[slibhb]

I see one person having a tantrum in this thread (and it's not me).

[pessimizer]

No, you were having a discussion, and now you're the one who just had a tantrum. If you're going to be personally offended when somebody says that the US looks like it is throwing a tantrum, nobody worthwhile is going to think it's worth talking to you.

[monkey_monkey]

Does feel like it's you though.

[vrganj]

Yet again, you are vocalizing my exact thoughts.

Feels like the disconnect I described is real, doesn't it?

Might not be performative after all then...

[maest]

"Tantrum" is a choice word.

[gunsle]

There’s nothing more hilarious to me than neck beard euros waxing poetic about America doing them dirty while simultaneously using “ya’ll” in the very same post. I’ve never once heard a European say ya’ll and I’ve met a lot of them.

[AlexeyBelov]

Can we, like, not say stuff like "neck beard euros"? And this is less that two hours after your own complaint about Reddit-like discussions on this site.

[vrganj]

Linguistic flexibility is a key part of the European identity :-)

[drnick1]

> It's a deep disconnect in values

So, it's performative. While they complain about American hegemony, Europeans buy iPhones (or Android), drink Coke, scroll Instagram, and listen to Taylor Swift. And while they might object to NATO spending, decades of inadequate military spending have left Europe with no real alternative to buying protection from America.