[raincole]

This is EU, what else do you expect? European officials saying they're ditching Windows has become a ritual:

https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/german-open-source-expe...:

> The German Foreign Office first moved over to Linux as a server platform in 2001... the Foreign Office of Germany made the announcement (translated news report) that it is migrating away from Linux back to Windows as its desktop solution.

https://interoperable-europe.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-so...:

> By December 2013, the city concluded the migration, with over 14,800 desktops running on LiMux... In November 2017, nearly four years after the conclusion of the migration, the Munich city council adopted a decision overhauling the move. All equipment was to be refitted with Windows 10 counterparts by 2020

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wienux:

> WIENUX[2] is a Debian-based Linux distribution developed by the City of Vienna in Austria... until 2008 when the download page was taken offline.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/POST...:

> Birmingham City Council piloted OSS on hundreds of desktops in its public libraries in 2005-6. It originally planned to install Linux ... but this was over-ambitious for the time frame of the project and compatibility problems meant that the open source OpenOffice (office suite) and Firefox (web browser) were eventually run on Windows XP

[AlotOfReading]

The LiMux/Munich saga was actually successful to a large degree. What happened is that Microsoft put enormous efforts into killing it. High level people like Steve ballmer and Bill Gates made personal visits to Munich officials to win them back, Microsoft put a headquarters in Bavaria, and there were huge concessions. It's about as far as you can get from the image of empty promises and no action.

[oaiey]

And the Microsoft headquarter of Germany is in Munich. Tha means also potential tax losses if Microsoft moves away.

[gmerc]

Let’s not forget Eric Schmidt’s daughter boning the key german politicians

[bigfudge]

Those attempts happened before the US really made such a concrete demonstration it was a security and strategic risk though. That was back in the good old days where they at least pretended to be strategic partners.

It's good to be sceptical, but the US really does present a clear danger to the EU and UK now (and the rest of the world). I'm hopeful that this will actually materialise this time, and that Munich and Birmingham and the others will have paved the way and built some expertise.

[oaiey]

Yes. Back then it was anti-mega-cooperations/financial/pro-privacy stance, but now it is a sovereignity thing.

[gunsle]

The Reddit tier anti America FUD on this site never fails to get a chuckle out of me. Every single day the discussion here gets lower and lower quality.

[wolvoleo]

I think you underestimate how much trump is undermining trust in the US.

Pulling out of agreements, unilaterally starting unnecessary wars (and then whining that nobody participates), screwing up the world economy and oil markets, threatening tariffs on a whim, threatening Greenland. Trying to push conservative values on the rest of the world (eg companies with inclusion policies get blacklisted)

And this distrust is not going to go away even when a sane government replaces him. The American people already elected Trump twice. It's very clear that another similar president can be elected at any moment. It's not just Trump, there's a whole movement behind him that's not going to go away, like the heritage Foundation. The long-term trust is gone. And it's not coming back unless something substantially changes in the US which is very doubtful.

[ArtemZ]

What unnecessary wars did the US start so far? And what would you say is necessary to do when there is an extremely theocratic country with a goal of "wiping out" another country is getting close to create a nuclear weapon?

[wolvoleo]

The second Iraq war was completely unnecessary. The fake WMD stories have been well documented. America then created the power vacuum that allowed ISIS to grow to an international problem.

Afghanistan too, the exuse was 9/11 but the Taliban was never proven to be involved, it was all Saudi Arabians. But SA is a "friendly" nation so they had to go after Afghanistan instead. Meanwhile Bin Laden was living comfortably in Pakistan.

And Iran was not close to a nuclear weapon. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/iran-was-nowhere-... . It was just that Netanyahu had destroyed all he could of Gaza and needed another war to be able to stay in power.

Further back the Vietnam and Korea wars were unnecessary too, America had no business there. If they wanted to become communist that was their right. The only one I can consider justified in some way was the first gulf war, because Iraq did indeed invade Kuwait.

All Trump did was prove to Iran that they need a nuclear weapon to be safe. What would actually have worked (and did work) would have been guarantees. You know like the agreement Obama achieved and Trump trashed.

[will4274]

If Europe didn't have America as an ally, Europe wouldn't exist in 50 years.

[AlexeyBelov]

Do you have anything substantial to add to the discussion? Right now it's just a shallow dismissal.

[scheeseman486]

I'm an Australian and there isn't a single person I know that isn't anti-america at this point, that includes conservatives. This was reflected in the last election, where the party most aligned with the US got absolutely wrecked.