[thepasch]

It would’ve happened eventually anyway, but OpenClaw is basically what kickstarted the beginning of the end of token subsidies. It’s a almost begging to be used wastefully. And agents would miss and lose nothing without it. It’s devoid of a reason to exist.

[operatingthetan]

I don't follow the thinking here. If you are using it for coding maybe, but the main use case of openclaw is as a personal assistant. I'm using a $10 a month minimax subscription for it, and I've never used more than 10% usage of a 5 hour window.

[mekael]

Serious question, and not meant to be snarky, but what is it doing , in terms of a personal assistant, that couldnt be done with some inbox cleanup, a couple of phone shortcuts, and siri/alexa/whatever google has?

[operatingthetan]

Mine is not connected to any of that. It is only connected to my Obsidian vault. Daily habits are reminded and checked off. It asks about calories etc. Think more of a manager or accountability partner than 'email on steroids.' I use it to track personal projects primarily. Lots of other tools could accomplish task tracking, but this one is more proactive than those. If you read my other comments today you will see I am not an openclaw-maxi.

[fennecbutt]

Siri/Alexa/gemini are severely limited in what they can do/access because they wanna protect the brand.

[raincole]

I don't think this is fair (and I say this as someone who doesn't see much a point of OpenClaw). To me it's very obvious that Claude Code itself is the beginning of the end of token subsidies.

When Claude Code was released, there was a community leaderboard where people competed who could waste the most tokens. Let that sinks.

I know people, especially people who write code, like to blame "the other clueless people" for ruining their cheap token plan. But we're not stuck in the traffic. We're the traffic.

[thepasch]

Oh, of course we're all burning tokens like crazy. It's just that some are actually producing something of value with them, and some... are running OpenClaw.

[dyauspitr]

I hope not. We need a lot of new data centers. Let the tokens flow like water.