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by jst1fthsdys 63 days ago
> It doesn't distinguish between Zionists and Jews

Almost like the only Jews they know are zionists. Finkelstein had a good response to some zionist going on about the Houthi slogan. He talks about how his parents (victims of the holocaust) hated germans. Not nazis, but germans. Why? Because the only germans they knew were Nazis.

So, yeah, the rhetoric would be better if it was nuanced and toned down. But how about we take the boot off their throats first so they can get around to that?

> If Hamas were to disarm, the war would stop and everyone could go on with their lives.

Tell that to the Palestinians in the West Bank.

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You're basically looking down at the founders of Hamas, saying something like: "Now, now... you didn't actually know what you were talking about, you meant zionists, not jews"

I give them the credit that they knew exactly what they were talking about in this document. Those guys are intelligent, well educated people. And, this document is the US constitution equivalent of Hamas, every word was chosen carefully and meticoulsly.

But, let's say you're right and they had a misspell. Is zionism punishable by death? is this what we have come down to? Believing that jews deserve a country of their own means the death penalty?

Great straw man. That is not it at all. It is the simple acknowledgment that Palestinians have only known violence and suffering at the hands of people who are Jewish. That those jews are motivated by a specific ideology isn't the type of nuance a people who are struggling to survive will have. Do I wish things would be better and that jews were not viewed that way? Of course. But that is up to the zionists.

Zionists who are, at this very moment, doing mass violence against the Lebanese. Which will only perpetuate this cycle. Which lets people like you argue its okay when Israel does its next land grab, cause every hates them in the region so they need to for security. Rinse and repeat until Greater Israel is complete.

> Is zionism punishable by death?

This is poor framing. Zionism on its own is a crappy ideology, but that is just one among thousands.

When you are using it as justification for an ethnostate that has their own version of lebensraum and actively works to ethically cleanse the people of a specific group who live there: then yes, you should expect violent resistance and people wanting to kill you. Its no surprise the other ideologies with this blood and soil framing that used violence also had people wanting to kill them.