[keeda]

My take is "simonw and his retiree friends" spend a lot of their time exploring this disruptive new technology and sharing their learnings (for free!) so that everybody can leverage it too... and yet so many people see that as something bad rather than an opportunity to learn.

Radical changes bring radical opportunities too, so "having the time of their lives" is not necessarily incompatible with "adapting to profound disruption."

Consider that the traits that make them optimistic about this technology are exactly the traits required to navigate this Brave New World.

[Teever]

But everyone can't leverage it too.

The technique of feeding money into the slot-machine that generates tokens so that it can maybe generate what you want and you get the results at scale if you have enough money paradigm just isn't accessible to many people. In this context Simonw and Karpathy are starting to look more and more like degenerate gamblers who admonish everyone else for not joining in, while telling us all that the perks the casino gives them are just fabulous and we're all missing out.

And maybe you'll say "Yeah but things will get cheaper in the future, they're just early adapters who can afford it..." well, will it? And will those people make it to that shining beacon on the hill future? Or will they find themselves out of a job because of the current economic calamity that is unfolding as a result of election of an American Nero who is supported by the ultrawealthy tech oligarchs who are brining this technology into existance?

Do these people actually want to improve the lives of the common people -- or are they more concerned with getting a high score in the form of the amount in their bank account and clout on social media?

[keeda]

My personal take, which seems to be consistent with what these folks are saying, is "OMG there's this huge radioactive asteroid that's going to flatten our world, but its gamma rays also give us weird superpowers, here are some ways to harness those..."

I'm a bit more optimistic about democratized access to AI. Even today's weaker open source/weight models are plenty powerful enough to supercharge our individual capabilities, and based on current trends, they won't be more than 3 - 6 months behind the frontier models. This may not bode well for the AI labs because their moat is always evaporating, but it's a huge boon to us plebs.

[wolvesechoes]

> I'm a bit more optimistic about democratized access to AI. Even today's weaker open source/weight models are plenty powerful enough to supercharge our individual capabilities, and based on current trends, they won't be more than 3 - 6 months behind the frontier models. This may not bode well for the AI labs because their moat is always evaporating, but it's a huge boon to us plebs

Point me to something real that happens rights now that would support such optimistic vision.

I always read on how much power AI can bring to common people, and it it always without any evidence whatsoever.

[benterix]

> I always read on how much power AI can bring to common people, and it it always without any evidence whatsoever.

Not really "much power" but more like a viable alternative: in a world where everybody needs LLMs to do their white-collar work, you can't force me to use your paid LLM subscription as my local-running model is close enough.

[keeda]

The power of AI is that it amplifies individual capabilities. So the same aspect that lets employers reduce their headcount also lets individuals start ambitious projects that would have previously required an entire team... and hence, a significant amount of funding. The moment you need money, the people who provide that capital hold a lot of power and influence.

But now you don't need their money, and so the capital class lose their power over you.

As an example, I'm iterating on a niche product based on computer vision -- something I had no background in when I started -- that in the past would have taken a team of 2 - 3 and at least a semester or two of an advanced course in computer vision. Instead, I'm solo bootstrapping this project.

There are multiple accounts like mine, and you can find many comments on HN or other forums to this effect. Now, I know this is a very tough path for most people because, well, now everybody needs to be an entrepreneur, but a path exists.

AI is a double-edged sword, and more people need to become aware of the edge that is available to us.

[wolvesechoes]

Again, I want concrete evidence on positive impact among general population, not speculation on how AI could be used or your amazing experience as bootstrapping entrepreneur.

[keeda]

1. This is not speculation. Individuals and small teams are already developing and deploying ambitious projects that previously required entire teams. Entire open source projects have been rewritten from scratch and relicensed by individuals with an AI. People have posted GitHub repos where you can go investigate the commit history. You've been on HN long enough to see the comments and stories. If you're still asking for proof, well, that says something.

2. You're stance is equivalent to "show me concrete evidence that the advent of the automobile will have a positive impact on horse-drawn buggy coachmen" while I'm saying, "the automobile is coming, we all better get off our high horses and learn how to drive."

[Henchman21]

> Consider that the traits that make them optimistic about this technology are exactly the traits required to navigate this Brave New World.

Consider that they're closer to death than birth and are unlikely to survive into the shit-hole world they're creating. Not passing on those traits to the next generation is a massive failure. These assholes aren't disrupting their own lives, just the poor slobs who haven't made it yet.