[gck1]

I believe framework is simply never, ever going to work for LLM-based agentic workflows.

Framework is simply way too rigid for a non-deterministic technology.

We may see libraries that provide tools for managing agents, but then again, there's nothing that tmux can't do already.

[harlequinetcie]

I'm a bit at odds with this.

I agree a framework is something that sounds outdated.

I also believe an orchestrator is needed. Something that abstracts you from a specific provider. Like hardware, drivers and operating systems.

Right now, my thoughts are on that line: Who will build that operating system? Who will have it in the cloud?

It needs to be robust to operate for large organizations, open source, and sit on top of any provider.

Right now we are seeing BSD vs GNU/Linux vs DOS kind of battles.

[dbmikus]

necro-posting here, but that's kinda what we're working on! We're focused on creating cloud workspaces for sandboxed coding agents and it's built to support any agent harness. https://www.amika.dev/

Under the hood, we're open sourcing a lot of the parts for provisioning these agents, their VMs/sandboxes, and managing agent messaging + sessions. Put our open source plans here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vevSJsSCWT_reuD7JwAuGCX5...

[suncemoje]

I've been using the OpenAI Agents SDK for a while now and am largely happy with the abstractions - handoffs/sub-agents, tools, guardrails, structured output, etc. Building the infra and observability, and having it scale reliably, was a bigger pain for me. So I do get Anthropic's move into managed agents.