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by h3lp 66 days ago
They say $0.01/kWh is the target price, to be reached after some decades.

Don't get me wrong, I am excited about solar power but careful about the economics: the capital cost of solar right now is well over 1$/W (panels+inverters+installation/hookup) and even though it is falling nicely, the amortization schedule needs to be considered. A rule-of-thumb figure is 1kWh of power per year from 1W nominal installed, so the capital cost will have to be amortized over 100 years to reach $.01/kWh. The installed price has to come down by a factor of 10 for this to work out.

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No, $0.01/kWh became possible in 2024 and is easy to achieve in 2026. But you have to follow the Fiberhood procedures based on our simulations and our electronics to actually achieve prices under one dollar cent per kWh. We reach this price in China, most of Europe and Australia but in the US you generally pay thrice as much (in labour cost, tarifs, etc).

You can only get an accurate cost if you create a simulation of every step of the industrial processes of manufacturing the silicon ingots, the glass, aluminum, the silver and labour that goes into making solar panels. Same for batteries, electronic components, etc. You have checks and balances in the simulation, for example you get the cost price of all the material components that you can check against the actual price for sale at the factories, the shipping cost, the wholesale prices on offer, the retail prices in different countries, the installation cost, the underlying loans and their interest rates and labour. But that simulates just the cost of the materials, you have many other factors. For example did the energy used to make the solar cells come from solar or from coal plants? Did you make thin film solar or silicon wafer solar cells. What battery chemistry. How much losses if your solar panel overheats 3 percent of the time. What latitude and longitude did the solar panels operate, at what angle to the sun? Compared with such accurate cost simulation models calibrated with actual prices paid your claim is very vague and hand-wavy.

The Levelized Cost of Energy (LCOE) is a metric representing the average total cost of building and operating an energy-generating asset over its lifetime, divided by the total energy output produced during that period. It serves as a, "break-even" price per unit of energy (e.g., $/MWh), allowing comparisons between different technologies.

I don't doubt that you can have a low marginal cost, but you still have to invest money to get this system installed. You dismissed my argument as 'vague and hand-wavy', so please give a concrete estimate how much it would cost to install a 10kW system on a typical house in the US midwest, and maybe in Europe or Australia.
25 400W solar panels at $0,08/Wp =$800.00 solar panels bought in bulk

metal poles and brackets $275

10 EVE 334AH 3.2V= 10,680 kWh $70.30 =$700.30 batteries bought in bulk

Enernet Power Router components $290 (I left out 2/3 of components because this is such a small installation and needs no 4x25 Gbps internet)

Cables $230,50

Metal enclosure $61

Install fee 5 hours two people $23 per hour = $230

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$2,587.80

So your "capital cost of solar right now of 1$/W" is 0.26$/W

10000 x $1W nominally installed =10000 kwh per year times 30 years = 3000,000 kWh total power yield

$2587.80/300,000=$0.00862333 per 1 kWh LCOE 30 years $2587.80/500,000=$0.0051756 per 1 kWh LCOE 50 years

These numbers are of day prices of today. Currently the battery and solar prices are high because of the high oil and gas prices of the US/Israel/Lebanon/Iran/Ukraine/Sudan wars, there is a steep battery and solar panel price rise. The overal LOCE is still hand-wavy in that several costs might happen in the 50 year of operation: Drop of 20% solar panel yield by breaking glass, cost of cleaning the panels, cable replacement, accidental electronics wear en tear, extra maintainance labour cost. Also, I doubt you need a loan to pay for $2582.80. If you did at a compound 3% interest rate with you would pay over 50 years, $11,344.67, more than 4,3 times than if you payed up front (from an online calculator, if you payed off per month than just the interest it would be lower).

But whoever is right, you'll certainly stay under $0,01 per kWh from solar and round trip storage cost in batteries.

If you are lucky, it will be almost half that, $0,005 per kWh.

To heat your apartment and drive all over the American continent with your electric car you'll need more than 10kW for an average US midwestern house.

Thank you, great info. You have great suppliers though: I can get close on batteries (I see four for $355, so $88 instead of your $70) but for panels the best I can get is $220 instead of your $32---how do you go about getting them at those prices? Also, what Ethernet Power Router for $290? Is that a Fiberhood product? How and where would I order it?
>how do you go about getting them at those prices?

Buy a 40 shipping container with aproximately 770 panels in the factory loading lot, truck to Shenzen harbor, ship to a port in the USA, Belém/Natal/Manaus or Rotterdam, Our own truck to the customer.

Please, where do you get your 4 LifePo4 batteries for $355? I only have one source for $70, I want more sources.

Edit: Thank you, I just ordered 8400 of your batteries (see h3lp his comment's Google link below) for less than $600,000 (at a discount). Picking them up in two weeks.