[code-blooded]

Campaigns like this need more info. This page doesn't answer any basic questions.

How much money do you currently get? How much money do you need and how will you use it? Does it even go directly to Thunderbird development or will be used up by Mozilla for other projects?

Edit: I found some info here: https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/donate/

Still, my point stands that communication around it should be super clear and available on all pages where they collect money. It shouldn't require me to search for it.

[zdc1]

Yeah, there's basically nothing explaining why the need more funding, and what they will do with it. Hosting? Salaries? Admin? You'd hope for a bit more context than this.

> How will my gift be used?

> Thunderbird is the leading open source email and productivity app that is free for business and personal use. Your gift helps ensure it stays that way, and supports ongoing development.

[glenstein]

Mostly to "technical staff" who work on product and infrastructure. I just don't think the point of the donate page was to be an information warehouse but instead just a dead simple donate page. The other info is googleable if you're looking for it.

https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/10/state-of-the-bird-2024-...

[upofadown]

They are an entity separate from Mozilla:

* https://blog.thunderbird.net/2020/01/thunderbirds-new-home/

[smarnach]

They are not entirely separate from Mozilla. The MZLA Technologies Corporation is a for-profit subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation. They have access to some of Mozilla's common infrastructure, but are otherwise entirely funded by donations. Donations to MZLA only fund Thunderbird and no other products.

[garaetjjte]

Seems fine if you can donate to Thunderbird development. Compared to Firefox, where I don't think it's possible to donate to development at all (only to Mozilla activism side).

[flopbob]

You can buy their Products. Afaik if you buy i.e. Firefox relay the revenue does not go to the foundation.

Edit: I just checked the Invoice, payment goes indeed to Mozilla Corporation, not the foundation.

[throw384949]

Mozilla also runs hiring and HR for MZLA. They control who gets hired and fired.

It is more like money laundering, than independent entity.

[wsmwk]

> Mozilla also runs hiring and HR for MZLA. They control who gets hired and fired.

This is completely and utterly false.

MZLA hiring posts are placed on the Mozilla hiring site, and nothing more.

[bpt3]

They are a wholly owned subsidiary. They're separate from Firefox, not Mozilla.

[wsmwk]

To be more clear: * MZLA are a subsidiary of Mozilla FOUNDATION * MZLA are separate from Mozilla CORPORATION aka Firefox

[bpt3]

And both are owned and controlled by Mozilla Foundation, which is the issue. Why on earth would I donate money to an organization that seems dedicated to doing as little as possible other than acting as a tool to be used for the personal benefit of its leaders?