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by QuantumNomad_ 78 days ago
> It's the realized gains that get taxed. That's a completely generic feature of the tax system, the government doesn't give a shit (and shouldn't) what people decide has value in any given transaction

If I buy a vintage computer second hand for $1500 and then manage to sell it to someone else for $2000, I don’t owe taxes on that.

But if I buy $1500 worth of bitcoin and then sell those bitcoins for $2000, I owe taxes on that.

So yes, the government does “give a shit” what people decide has value in any given transaction.

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>If I buy a vintage computer second hand for $1500 and then manage to sell it to someone else for $2000, I don’t owe taxes on that.

Uh, in the United States? Yeah, you absolutely do [0, 1]:

>"If you make a profit through these activities, it’s considered taxable income. You can use the Form 1099-K, along with other records, to determine how much tax you owe."

>"Remember that all income, no matter the amount, is taxable unless the law says otherwise – even if you don’t get a Form 1099-K."

>"If you made a profit or gain on the sale of a personal item, your profit is taxable. The profit is the difference between the amount you received for selling the item and the amount you originally paid for the item."

You may wish to review your understanding and confidence in your understanding of tax law.

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0: https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/are-you-making-extra-cash-selli...

1: https://www.irs.gov/businesses/what-to-do-with-form-1099-k

> Uh, in the United States?

I don’t live in the US, and am not a citizen of the US.

> You may wish to review your understanding and confidence in your understanding of tax law.

The tax laws in my country are different from the ones in yours. I know the tax laws of my country well enough.

>I don’t live in the US, and am not a citizen of the US.

Well good then, I guess you don't have to worry about any of this so long as no American ever gets a quantum computer! Not like any research on it happens here or anything so you shouldn't need to be concerned.

The US happily arrests and charges people for cryptocurrency theft too.

> An unsealed indictment on Thursday identified Malone Lam, 20, a citizen of Singapore who lives in Miami and Los Angeles, and Jeandiel Serrano, 21, of Los Angeles, showing both had been arrested Wednesday night and charged with conspiring to steal and launder the cryptocurrency. They were set to appear in separate federal courts in California and Florida on Thursday, according to the Justice Department.

https://www.coindesk.com/business/2024/09/19/police-arrests-...

Link from 2024

>The US happily arrests and charges people for cryptocurrency theft too.

But the whole discussion here is whether or not it'd be theft at all. There is no breaking into computers or laundering involved here. And you're also now admitting that we're discussing US law as I was from the beginning, after trying to deflect to whatever rando country you're from as if it matters.