[refurb]

Now imagine how the international community feels about the toll - “sure would be nice if Iran’s leadership was replaced so we don’t have to pay a toll for an international waterway”.

The whole situation further isolates Iran globally (they were already isolated before the war).

[ElProlactin]

Now imagine how the international community feels about the US starting a war of aggression against Iran without even consulting with its allies and trading partners beforehand.

The whole situation further isolates the US globally (they were already isolated before the war due to threats of taking Greenland, making Canada the 51st state, leaving NATO, etc.).

[refurb]

How do you know allies and trading partners weren’t consulted? Of course they were! The US had to get overflight permission the first day.

Iran had long been a thorn in the side of Europe and the Middle East countries. There is no love lost if the US decides to attack Iran. Most US allies would welcome deposing the current Iranian regime.

The US is anything but isolated. Notice how happy Europe is now that the US is bankrolling the Ukraine war?

Don’t confuse public statements intended for local consumption with what’s happening behind the scenes. Countries will happily talk tough to keep their own people happy all the while partnering behind the scenes.

[ElProlactin]

> How do you know allies and trading partners weren’t consulted? Of course they were! The US had to get overflight permission the first day.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/gulf-allies-disappointed-...

https://www.newsweek.com/nato-nations-defy-trump-refuse-to-h...

https://lavocedinewyork.com/en/news/2026/03/19/nato-trump-in...

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/31/trump-america-first-policy-t...

[yakshaving_jgt]

> Notice how happy Europe is now that the US is bankrolling the Ukraine war?

The US is not currently bankrolling Ukraine in the way it was in 2022–2024. Under Donald Trump, no new large aid packages have been approved, and support now largely consists of delivering previously authorised funds and equipment.

[refurb]

That’s a funny way of saying the US is still bankrolling the Ukraine war.

[mopsi]

Except it isn't: https://www.kielinstitut.de/fileadmin/_processed_/4/3/csm_mi...

[refurb]

Would you say “if one country is the largest individual donor, then its bankrolling it”

I would

[yakshaving_jgt]

It just isn't though.

Why, despite the facts being as clear as crystal, do you insist on lying?

[M95D]

> so we don’t have to pay a toll for an international waterway

I don't think it was international. I think it was 50% Iran's and 50% Oman's.