[21asdffdsa12]

Because Iran attacks them relentlessly by proxxy? Hoothis, Hezbullah, Hamas, etc. It also wars with the kurds and had some fun in afghanistan?

Iran is not passive - iran is active, a wannabe us (lets call it micro-satan) - that wants to do what russia did along its borders.

[vachina]

Still none of your business

[baq]

Persian gulf is everyone’s business.

[throwaway25231]

How about USA proxies? Or are proxy wars just reserved for other party?

[mikkupikku]

> Because Iran attacks them relentlessly by proxxy? Hoothis, Hezbullah, Hamas, etc

Iran doesn't use any of these to attack America. You seem to be confusing Israel for America, a common problem in American politics.

[gryzzly]

Iranian proxies are responsible for well over 1,000 American deaths since 1979, and there were dozens of foiled plots on American soil and hundreds of individual militia attacks in Iraq and Syria, directed by Iran.

[kdheiwns]

For reference, how many times has the US interfered with Iran's government and how many people in Iran has the US killed since 1979? That's the only way to get a fair view of this discussion. Just wondering if all this happened in a vacuum or, god forbid, Iran maybe has some reason to dislike the US.

[akdev1l]

“What about…?” Does not make for a good argument.

[srean]

When the comment is a response to another that justifies current attacks on Iran because Irani proxies killed US, it matters a big F'ing deal that those were in retaliation of the US historically scuttling Iranian parliamentary democracy and killing 50K Iranians by way of chemical munitions alone through its proxy.

[akdev1l]

No it doesn’t.

The post was replying to this:

>Iran doesn't use any of these to attack America.

This is false, as the post explained.

Saying “what about the US attacking Iran?” does not change the above being false. In fact the US attacking Iran does not change the above false either.

Even if we accept both things as true:

1. Iran has historically attacked the US 2. The US has historically destabilized/attacked Iran

It doesn’t change the fact that “Iran does not use any of these (proxy groups) to attack America” is a false statement.

Skip me with your emotional arguments because I’ll just think you’re posturing and just trying to advance your agenda :-)

[kdheiwns]

It's like saying "A home owner shot armed burglar in self defense," then crying "self defense is whataboutism! That home owner needs to face mob justice!" Nah. Those tactics of yours simply do not work anymore. Everyone sees through it. Iran wouldn't be doing any of this if they weren't constantly being bombed and attacked and having their leaders assassinated. The strait was open 2 months ago and had no issues. Two countries decided to ruin that and they deserve to face the consequences.

[gryzzly]

this was a reply to people saying "Iran is not attacking the US". It is of course convenient to bend this discussion into a different direction, but this was a reply to blind propaganda that sees only one side as responsible for bad things.

[kdheiwns]

Why would Iran attack the US? Did they just randomly decide to hate America in 1979? Or did America do something that triggered that hate?

[gambutin]

An evil regime requires a constant “evil” enemy to justify its own existence.

[curt15]

How many Russian deaths have been caused by US proxies in Ukraine so far? Do those justify an attack on the US by Russia?

[gryzzly]

https://www.startpage.com/sp/search?q=US+proxies+in+Ukraine

[srean]

[To the downvoter, downvoting is not going to change the historical facts]

It was the US that upended Iranian parliamentary democracy with a military coup, sponsored chemical weapons attacks on Irani population (through its proxy Iraq). This killed some 30k to 50k by way of chemical attacks alone. Credible sources estimate 100K killed by these chemical weapons attacks alone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_chemical_attacks_against...

US shot down their passenger jet. US has imposed crippling sanctions that have decimated the economic well being of the country compared to what it could have been.

Iran Air Flight 655 was an international scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by two surface-to-air missiles fired by USS Vincennes, a United States Navy warship. The missiles hit the Iran Air aircraft, an Airbus A300, while it was flying its usual route over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, shortly after the flight departed its stopover location, Bandar Abbas International Airport. All 290 people on board were killed. No apologies yet.

Talking about Iranian proxies alone is one-sided if you don't consider what US-Israel proxies have been doing to them. US Israel have inflicted 10 to 100X more Irani deaths than what Iran has done in retaliation.

You are either ignorant or deliberately underplaying that. Most likely the latter.

[21asdffdsa12]

Only westerners can be bad actors or at all in historic events racism of the charts? It takes two to tango and iran is dancing its heart out.. and could have had the most peacefull life, if its religion would not involve destroying all "unbelievers" in the middle east - first and foremost aimed at israel.

[srean]

> if its religion would not involve destroying all "unbelievers" in the middle east -

That would be ultra orthodox zionists and illegal settlers that has been stealing land for decades now.

https://www.primevideo.com/detail/Louis-Theroux-The-Ultra-Zi...

An illuminating documentary. Everyone should give it a watch to understand the Zionist belief system.

There is very little room to doubt who the bad actor is and was. No matter how many canards you can try and thrust, how many attempts you make to color this as a religious holy war.

That the Islamic revolution was and is against Jews is a lie. In any case the Islamic revolution happened because of excesses by the US sponsored Shah who was put in charge after the US dismantled Iran's parliamentary democracy.

Even today Tehran hosts Dr. Sapir Hospital and Charity Center, a Jewish charity hospital, the largest charity among the religious minorities in Iran. It is doing well, thank you.

Ayatollah Khomeini himself wrote a personal note thanking the hospital for its help after the revolution succeeded.

Synagogues in Tehran are doing very well in the Islamic regime, thank you. Except for one that US+Israel bombed recently in Tehran.

This is in contrast to Israeli false flags, such as the Lavon affair and Baghdad synagogue bombings by Israel to drive a rift between Jews and the country they were residing in. Israel has a long documented history of bombing synagogues in other countries in false flag operations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950%E2%80%931951_Baghdad_bomb...

In fact Irani Jews have often criticized Israel when Israel has acted against Palestinians. Chief Rabbi of Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehuda_Gerami has denounced Zionist and Israeli policies.

https://www.csmonitor.com/1998/0203/020398.intl.intl.3.html

""" It comes as a surprise to many visitors to discover that Iran, a country so hostile to Israel and with a reputation for intolerance, is home to a small but vibrant Jewish community that is an officially recognized religious minority under Iran's 1979 Islamic Constitution.

"Khomeini didn't mix up our community with Israel and Zionism - he saw us as Iranians," says Haroun Yashyaei, a film producer and chairman of the Central Jewish Community in Iran. """

[21asdffdsa12]

Could he say anything else or other? He must sing the dhimi and hostage song for his life depends on it. I know what happens to the ghetto after the friday prayer. Pieces be upon the true believers..

[Hikikomori]

It takes two to tango is a weird way to describe western imperialism.

[_DeadFred_]

Interesting to see this chemical attack talking point suddenly in the last week. But yet posters here will claim the bad actors are pushing 'zionist' talking points and ignore when an obviously coordinated Iranian talking point is suddenly injected into every thread within a week.

[poisonarena]

The navy anti-drone team on my last 2 ships in the merchant marine would argue differently

[21asdffdsa12]

The us is the peace guarantor for maritime trade in the region. Its the protector of several oil powers. When the hoothi shoot on ships, they hit the us.