[gambiting]

If you're going to live underground(and you'd have to on Mars) you might as well do it here, at the bottom of the ocean, or if you're feeling particularily ambitious - even on the moon. There is literally zero advantage to doing it on Mars, except for the achievement.

[bwv848]

What's the difference? All have to live under central planning, all have to live with hubris of the rich and elites, at least Mars sounds way cooler than living in cities.

[oblio]

If you think Musk doesn't want central planning, you're sorely misunderstanding his point of view.

Musk wants to be a founding father. And just as the OG founding fathers, his problem isn't necessarily with the centralization part in general, but with the centralizing being done by others. There's a reason the original American voters were all white land owning men (and in some cases, slave owning men!).

[bwv848]

I agree with your point but you guys really have to take a look at what I was replying to and was I being serious at all.

[oblio]

Oooops :-D