[defrost]

Regulate, not ban, not working knives (chef, ropemaker, tech, <reason>), but "zombie" knives and other "flash" used to swing in public and intimidate (subject, say to specific performance reasons, etc.)

Love it, hate it, it's a different mindset to the US approach and ultimatelty falls back on judges using "reasonable behaviour" of common citizens on ominbuses as a yardstick.

[themaninthedark]

A rapper made a great song about this a while ago: https://youtu.be/YeV2cExvnMI?si=ZWhMBC1CDBGZHKNB

Also from the comment section: "knife crime, knife crime, it's ain't about knives"

You're saving that banning/ demonizing locking folding knives when almost all crimes are committed with a common kitchen knife wasnt the solution?!? I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!

[defrost]

Heh, great track. I mean it's no Linton Kwesi Johnson dis but it is what it is and that's enough.

Look, no one's a fan of the village idiot juggling lit dynamite on a unicycle in the packed shopping mall, and it's no good for anyone if the bad apples* aren't given a route to better things to do so Roman Law countries tend to have any old excuse laws to give cause to have people questioned as to why they're doing whatever the heck it is that they're doing .. my grandmother pulled up kids all the time like that.

The upside of such things is actually problematic and questionable bahaviour can be shunted in one direction and chefs of any colour, langauge, borough address can walk on proud and free with their knife rolls.

The downside is the watchers and guardians can get a bit enthused and selective in their choices of collar, they can develop little clique's of weirdness and corruption, and the judgy types can get a bit overly judgy about all the wrong things.

The challenge for any community is dealing with all that and having better control over the system .. takes time and focus, 'taint easy.

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MVsBS7OZvo

[tracker1]

I can stab you pretty effectively with a screwdriver... it's fucking stupid all around to try to "regulate" knives at all.

[defrost]

Well, sure, you could certainly have a crack at it, you wouldn't be the first to try.

You did rather miss the point of why, and the devil's less in having reason to address potentially violent individuals and groups, far more in the implementations, the biases, the judgements, the feedback on appeals, community support, rehabilitations, restitutions, and that dull stuff.

[tracker1]

You have yet to establish why the premise and effort itself isn't completely asinine at its core. All you've done is spout a stream of progressive gibberish that doesn't consist of a coherent thought as to why banning or limiting knives is a good idea at all. Banning tools won't stop tools from being misused for violent intent, people will only misuse other tools.

> the implementations, the biases, the judgements, the feedback on appeals, community support, rehabilitations, restitutions, and that dull stuff.

What the hell does that even mean? It sounds like an AI hallucination trying to justify giving everyone a participation trophy and straight top grades to go through school even if the individuals don't actually participate or grasp the material being tought.

[defrost]

> You have yet to establish why the premise and effort itself isn't completely asinine at its core.

Reason to stop and question - in itself, not an issue.

> the implementations, the biases, the judgements, the feedback on appeals

Where the problems pile up - the biases of peace keepers, expectations baked into sentencing, resistance to review, etc.

> trying to justify giving everyone a participation trophy

that'd be your hallucination

Maybe wind back the nonsense and strawmanning?

What's your country / state or county that has shaped your outlook on all this?

[tracker1]

USA, Arizona... we have pretty liberal (in the classic sense/definition) laws regarding gun rights here.

Again, what is the actual expected goal in terms of limiting access to knives at all? How does this pass any kind of sanity check?

If someone wants to kill someone else, even opportunistically, the removal of knives won't significantly reduce said crime... there are lots of opportunistic weapons that can be used to kill. You cannot child-proof the world. Even reducing the surface or pointy part of knives doesn't significantly reduce the effectiveness as a weapon.

Anyone with even a modest amount of combat training can articulate and demonstrate this.

[defrost]

  > USA, Arizona...

Kimberley region*, W.Australia - as a child, then much of the world, these days the Wheat belt, W.Australia.

  > we have pretty liberal (in the classic sense/definition) laws regarding gun rights here.

Umm .. sure, whatever relevance that has - we have guns also, we shoot them 5,000 yards* and we regulate them just as we regulate poisons, explosives, lasers, etc.

  > Again, what is the actual expected goal in terms of limiting access to knives at all?

That's the UK and the purpose of having knife regulation in the UK is to have a lawful reason to question people with knives.

  > If someone wants to kill someone else, even opportunistically, the removal of knives won't significantly reduce said crime... there are lots of opportunistic weapons that can be used to kill.

Sure, you can likely choke someone to death with a dildo, let's take that as a given.

Also observed in the real world, if safety belts are introduced, car accident M&M improve - fewer deaths, lesser injuries. If guns and knives are regulated, shootings and stabbings diminish in number - not eliminate, just reduced in number.

  > Anyone with even a modest amount of combat training can articulate and demonstrate this.

Sure, any grunt seppo can demonstrate how to kill someone with a banana, there's an entire Mony Python sketch about this .. but that's not what we're tallking about here - the discussion is civil regulation to reduce shootings and stabbings by non militarily trained yut, bad apples, and village idiots.

* My neighbour, here in W.Australian wheat belt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7owwTz7Z0OE

* Kimberley: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jejk-7I9Y6U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmKxmxk6Gas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r10UavOenec