[lenerdenator]

Today's?

We were shuffling capital to China after Tiananmen Square. People were talking about how we should have left Saddam alone because of how "orderly" Iraq was under his boot. Europeans were happy to ink the plans for Nordstream 2 after Russia sent tanks into Georgia, and Russia received no less than a FIFA World Cup and Olympic games after seizing Crimea.

There is incredibly little will to stick to the whole "humans have rights and we should have a rules-based international order" when the rubber meets the road.

[acessoproibido]

rules-based international order is mostly a propaganda term that the Us empire invented. It also was mostly "rules for thee but not for me"

Its a nice thing in theory but in practice power always overruled morals and I think the current US admin not only freely admits this but also kind of rubs your nose in it. In a way its less hypocritical than previously but also incredibly sobering for someone who grew up in a seemingly more "stable" world

[lenerdenator]

> rules-based international order is mostly a propaganda term that the Us empire invented. It also was mostly "rules for thee but not for me"

I think there was an effort to try to stick to it, at least early on after WWII when people had seen what the old system resulted in.

Then the Berlin blockade, Korea, and Hungarian intervention happened and the implication was made that the rules were what were to be aspired to, not actually followed, and it's been all downhill from there.

Incidentally, most of those aren't on the "Us empire".

[some_random]

Don't worry, the multipolar world you dream of will be here soon, and it will be as brutal and violent as you're hoping.

[lenerdenator]

> Don't worry, the multipolar world you dream of will be here soon, and it will be as brutal and violent as you're hoping.

... I don't hope for that?

[u8080]

Indeed, we even had deals with Germany and Belgium who bombed hospitals in Yugoslavia in 1999!