[hdgvhicv]

Europe’s big problem is the hindered of millions of climate refugees on the doorstep. Even the most open heart liberal will baulk at the population doubling or more in 20 years. The only ones promising a solution will be the neofeudalists

[sunshine-o]

But Europe also have to stop believing they can solve the world problems and act on a global scale. This time is long gone, about at least a hundred year.

Every region, culture will need to find a path to sustainability in their own way. If the path they take is invading another region, it leads to war. Like it has been for thousands of years.

[actionfromafar]

"Europe, you don't have global influence?" What is this? Disconnect, splinter and prepare for war?

[sunshine-o]

> Disconnect, splinter and prepare for war?

But this is what we are doing anyway...

I am just trying to articulate a path where can have better food security and sustainability.

[actionfromafar]

Europe should find another way or it will get eaten by China and its proxy, Russia.

[conception]

It’s ok when the AMOC collapses and Europe plunges into an ice age no one will want to live there either.

[stinkbeetle]

Why would an open heart liberal have any concern with welcoming refugees?

[kypro]

Depends where they're coming from I guess. There's basically no where on Earth where people are as liberal as Europe.

No liberal would want millions of people coming from Afghanistan, for example.

[miningape]

Well, I have something to tell you about the last decade+ of EU immigration policy

[stinkbeetle]

Presumably you mean No True Liberal.

[adrianN]

Presumably they mean that acceptance of migration is a continuum and the numbers of climate refugees would push a large fraction of people self identifying as liberal to oppose it.

[stinkbeetle]

That is not a safe presumption since they made an absolute claim about all liberals.

[hdgvhicv]

Numbers. Very few of the most staunch conservatives would turn away one family in need.

But when it’s the best part of a billion people - at a rate of 4:1, that’s a different question.

[stinkbeetle]

What makes it a different question? What numbers change that change things?

Leaving aside what you hear on the internet, I personally know a few people who say they have no concern welcoming any number of refugees, a couple of them actually to the point of getting quite enraged at people who do have different opinions. So there definitely are some such people in existence.

[hkpack]

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