[devmor]

There’s also just the negative association factor.

I use LLMs in my every day work. I’m also a strong critic of LLMs and absolutely loathe the hype cycle around them.

I have done some really cool things with copilot and Claude and I keep sharing them to within my working circle because I simply don’t want to interact that much with people who aren’t grounded on the subject.

[cossray]

I would be interested to hear your take on Copilot vs Claude. I have used Copilot (trial) in VS Code and I found it to mostly meet my needs. It could generate some plans and code, which I could review on the go. I found this very natural to me as I never felt 'left behind' in whatever code the AI was generating. However, most of the posts I see here are on Claude (I haven't tried it) and very few mentions of Copilot. What is your impression about them and the use cases each is strong in?

[cassidy_co]

(Context: I'm a different person, but have thoughts on this)

I started using Copilot at work because that's what the company policy was. It's a pretty strict environment, but it's perfectly serviceable and gets a lot of fresh, vetted updates. IDE integration with vs code was a huge plus for me.

Claude code is definitely a messier, buggier frontend for the LLM. It's clunkier to navigate and it has much more primitive context management tools. IDE integration is clunky with vs code, too.

However, if you want to take advantage of the Anthropic subscription services, I've found Claude Code is the way to go... Simply because Anthropic works hard to lock you into their ecosystem if you want the sweet discounts. I'm greedy, so I bit the bullet for all of the LLM coding stuff I do in my personal life.

[devmor]

Copilot isn’t really a competing product to Claude - in fact I use Claude through copilot.

I have found in general that for the type of work I do (senior to staff level engineering, 90-10 research to programming) that Claude Opus is the only model really worth my time - but I just really like the Copilot CLI tooling.

[avadodin]

So, are you using it for the 10%?

I do use LLMs to learn about new subjects but we already only bill 10% for "coding" and that's inflating it to cover other parts.

I can't imagine that slopping it up would be a great decision. Having alien code that no one ever understood between a bug report and a solution. Anthropic isn't going to give us money for our lost contracts, is it?

[devmor]

I would say I'm using it for about half of the "10%" and and a quarter of the "90%".

> I can't imagine that slopping it up would be a great decision. Having alien code that no one ever understood between a bug report and a solution. Anthropic isn't going to give us money for our lost contracts, is it?

Absolutely, that's a real concern. The only time I will let it loose on something is a throwaway project to test something, or a small tool that I know I can write deterministic tests for.

On codebases of any significant size, I'm using it more like a custom domain Stackoverflow search engine.