[Skunkleton]

The title is misleading and not in the article. This change is for business/enterprise accounts. Also, these are still credit based. The change is that credits now operate on tokens like the API rather than on messages as they used to.

[petcat]

> Customers on existing Plus, Pro and Enterprise/Edu plans should continue to use the legacy rate card. We’ll migrate you to the new rates in the upcoming weeks.

[ccmcarey]

Nope, they buried the lead a bit but this is coming for _all_ users, even pro/plus subscription plans. So you get chatgpt pro/plus benefits, and then effectively $20/$200 in credits for codex

[HumanOstrich]

> effectively $20/$200 in credits for codex

That's not true.

First of all, there's no dollar amount tied to how many credits you get for a subscription.

Second, if you look at the prices for bundles of _extra_ credits and then do some math on the Codex rate card, you'll see that there's no way they would work out to be the same or similar.

[lelanthran]

> First of all, there's no dollar amount tied to how many credits you get for a subscription.

I don't understand what you mean here; their official comms is:

     Customers on existing Plus, Pro and Enterprise/Edu plans should continue to use the legacy rate card. We’ll migrate you to the new rates in the upcoming weeks.

To me, anyway, that means that GP was exactly right - they'll give the $20 subscriptions $20 worth of credits, and the $200 dollars subscriptions $200 worth of credits. That is what the "New Rates" are!

I think it would be more rational to discount a subscription (standard is about 10% in most industries) vs PAYG and agree in principal with your assertion - they haven't specified what the discount is on credits bought in a subscription plan - but there is no indication that they are going to continue allowing thousands of dollars of credits on a $200/m plan.

My guess would be a 10% (or similar) discount if you buy a subscription.

[HumanOstrich]

1. Look at the new rate card for how many credits are used for each category (that's what the discussion is about).

2. Look at some of your typical sessions for token counts and calculate how many credits that would have been.

3. Look at the rates for extra credits (that's the only place credits have a price).

4. See that you are getting more than $200/mo worth of credits where we have evidence of the value of a credit.

If that doesn't clear it up, then I can't help, sorry.

[mandeepj]

> effectively $20/$200 in credits for codex

So, 1.3ish million tokens for Codex? Following the token limit from here https://openai.com/api/pricing/