[miki123211]

Do all German hospitals serve vegan food?

If you were averse to carrots (without any health restrictions on eating them), would every government institution in Germany be required to serve you carrot-free food?

If not, why should they be forced to accommodate every smartphone brand in existence, even if there's only 3 people in Germany using it? THe list has to end somewhere.

[RobotToaster]

> Do all German hospitals serve vegan food?

Can't speak for Germany, but they do in the UK. It would be illegal discrimination against a belief for them not to.

[preisschild]

You are forgetting that by not allowing more open platforms they effectively force you to accept Apple/Google EULA's essentially forcing you to give your private data to Google/Apple.

[haagch]

Lots of hospitals don't even serve healthy food in any sense, so expecting a good coverage of dietary options is optimistic...

But to answer the question in a real way: Veganism is often regarded as just a dietary choice like any other, when in reality courts in several countries have more or less agreed to classify it as a matter of conscience, which would give adherents some right to it. Though it seems German courts have been reluctant to draw much legal consequence from it - so far at least.

So in that sense, I don't think people have been talking about digital sovereignty and abstaining from proprietary software under another country's jurisdiction much as a matter of conscience yet. We can thank Trump that it might actually become a thing though.

[dgellow]

The ones I’m aware of do, yes

[faust201]

They do.

[b112]

While the example your provide is reasonable fair, the comparison is not.

For it to be fair comparison, the carrots would have to be grown by a foreign company, known for using unsafe growing practices, causing contamination. Eg, poison carrots. This same company would have to be under the control of a very hostile, very actively aggressive and threatening nation.

Such as one currently threatening to annex allies, among other things.

With the US literally tapping and spying on heads of foreign states:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Parliamentary_Committee...

and there being lots of ways to spy, such as push notifications:

https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/governments...

Only insane people would objectively decide to use Google or Apple anything for any form of ID. Those platforms should literally be outlawed. Any use of push notifications or identity attention should be looked at as utter fantasy.

Here's a secret for you. There really isn't any urgent requirement to have an electronic identification method. It can wait. Supporting legislation can be passed first. There are lots of ways to do so.

For example, the entire EU could pass legislation stating that all cell phones have open source code available, including all binary blobs for drivers. And that all phones are unlockable, and that (for example) the phone has a version of the rom you can download without any Google services.

(If Apple isn't able to compete here, well... too bad)

The phones would not be legal to sell, unless the open source firmware was compiled in front of regulators. The point of this is another pet-peeve of mine, it would allow people to support their own phones, for that source code would be released the day that phone was no longer supported.

And yes, it's trivial to have open source firmware blobs. There just isn't a market for it. Pass a law, and sellers of SoC and other ICs will capitulate, or maybe more punitive laws will be passed against them. As someone once said, yes companies can have a lot of sway.

But governments have police, courts, and armies.

Right now, Android and Apple devices are a literal arm of the US government's spying apparatus, even if those two companies actively work against it.

Do not trust Google Play. Do not trust Firebase. Do not trust Google. At all.

Are Germans just too trusting? I remember 15 years ago, when nuclear power plants were closing, concerns were raised about the reliance on Russian natural gas. These were waved away. Russia? What's wrong with Russia! They're almost allies, they're capitalists now!

Don't do this again.

Do NOT trust Google. Don't. Don't make it a core part of any identity management.

Imagine, needing an active Google account to even bank! Or to file your taxes, or even to prove who you are!? Google cancels accounts with no recourse, no reason why, won't help anyone, and this is to be the core of identity management for Germany?

The average person won't even be able to install any German Government designed apps, unless they are on the Play store! Are you going to teach Grandma how to use ADB to install an app? Without an active Google Account, will you even be able to use push notifications?

Why would a government even allow ID to be blocked by the requirement that a company with terrible, horrible, inane customer service, which just kills accounts without recourse, be a gatekeeper?

No Google account, no ID! Wha!?

It's literally not sane.

[LexGray]

I think it falls under the article yesterday about male German citizens having restrictions on their travel. Electronic ID is a step toward “papers please”.

Germany at least seems to feel international war is only a few steps away and from how militant the Chinese and Russians have been treating their “territory” I am not sure it is a bad call.

America has likewise turned bad preferring violence over dialogue and loves tracking “hostile influences on the American way of life”. Those influences being anyone who would call out the toxic culprits making America into a cesspit.

Tying to Apple and Google? It is a terrible idea. Both are prone to freeze devices for financial or social issues.

However, a fix I would accept is to force the device makers to support multiple accounts out of box on every device to keep separate what the corporations have proven time and again they cannot be trusted to combine. Also for those companies to be forced to make a cheap credit card sized device which must be held to power on for the few that truly hate the ecosystems.

[dudefeliciano]

> cheap credit card sized device

I don't understand why this is not the default to be honest, and why people are not advocating for that

[b112]

The first thing to go in every major war, will be the reliably of electronic anything.

What's wrong with ID cards and cash?