[tasuki]

> Why do laborers have to work for the right to live

I don't know why, but this is sort of the definition of a laborer, no? Someone who labors.

People who live on welfare are – by definition – not laborers. That was my whole point: "ending welfare" is not "an attack on labor", it's an attack on non-labor.

[dannyfritz07]

I reject your definition of welfare. You're thinking far too narrowly about the benefit to society by taking care of your citizens' needs.

[tasuki]

What is your definition of welfare? Generally caring how the citizens are doing? I believe governments usually don't. There's too much politics for that.