[frollogaston]

eGPUs are kind of a joke. People would be way more likely to use dedicated GPUs with Macs if they had PCIe slots.

[MBCook]

The last Mac with good PCIe slots was the 2019-2023 Mac Pro. So that’s almost a decade ago, and sold poorly. It never got a real refresh.

Before that was the pre-trash can Mac Pro in 2006-2012. So that was canceled most of a decade before the 2019 model.

High bandwidth PCIe hasn’t been a thing in Apple world for most of 15 years.

[frollogaston]

Yeah I want to know who exactly was their target audience with the 2013 and 2019 models. It made sense before that. I loved my 2009 model (4,1).

[15155]

What exactly is the difference between an internal PCIe slot and Oculink or Thunderbolt from an electrical and functional perspective?

[wpm]

An internal PCIe slot can be had in up to 16x 5.0, whereas Thunderbolt 5 maxes out at 4x of 4.0. Plus you have another Thunderbolt controller in between the CPU and the hardware, and it takes more energy to push that many bits 1m over a cable vs a few dozen cm over traces.

Also Thunderbolt is trivially disconnected, which in many critical workflows is not a positive, but an opportunity for ill-timed interruptions. Plus I don't have to buy a fucking dongle/dock for a real goddamn slot, make room for external power supplies, etc.