[missedthecue]

Most young men don't have wives or daughters. It's not 1850 anymore.

I would rather both genders get drafted than be in a Ukraine situation where millions of women leave for richer countries while I am pulled off the street to go eat FPV drones. What's even the point? Why not surrender? What am I protecting or preserving?

[nslsm]

You are protecting a society who doesn’t care about you. Aren’t you glad?

[ashleyn]

This goes missed a lot in debates about conscription. The Iran war in the US and the Ukraine war in Russia enjoy very little popular support among military aged men. This is in stark contrast to WW2, and even in Vietnam there was still a strain of thinking of draft resisters as cowards. But wars in this day and age enjoy a shockingly tiny public mandate, and it's entirely possible that governments can only do a draft on paper. Putin is practically unable to push further mobilisation because the first round provoked such stiff violence and resistance.

[Ylpertnodi]

> What's even the point? Rich people staying in power is the point.

> Why not surrender? Surrendering is not always practicable. You will get killed if you're a liability to your captors.

> What am I protecting or preserving? That's really only yours, and yours alone, to consider.

[rvnx]

There is another option too: cooperate.

Any ruler wants active units of production (humans extracting money or gold or food), and for that it has to bring some sort of stable life environment and not be too greedy so people don't try to revolt.

Whether you get such through political negotiation before or after a war, or through a vote, or through a revolution, is the same as the end.