[userbinator]

and they’ve made it clear that building products around claude -p is disallowed

Imagine not being able to connect services together or compose building-blocks to do what you want. This is absolute insanity that runs counter to decades of computing progress and interoperability (including Unix philosophy); and I'm saying this as someone who doesn't even care for using AI.

[4b11b4]

But you can still integrate this (claude -p) into your local workflows when you basically want to pipe pipe stuff to Claude for inference

[Aperocky]

it's trivial to use tmux. But it does feels like openclaw is used (and increasingly developed) by people who never heard of it.

[nickthegreek]

openclaw even ships with a built in tmux skill

[MattRix]

They aren’t stopping anyone from using claude -p, they are just charging for that usage.

[RevEng]

Even better, running something like 'claude -p' at the command line is exactly the kind of thing a model would do. Mine loves to run python, node, and a dozen other applications.

[stusmall]

Except it's not counter to history for SaaS services. Many will ban unauthentic usage from non-human clients. Getting banned from a SaaS service for boting is nothing new

[colechristensen]

You absolutely can, just pay for their API usage. The subscriptions are deeply discounted if you use your full quota compared to the API.

[mccoyb]

It is confusing for a company to sell you the subscription service, say "Claude Code is covered", ship Claude Code with `claude -p`, and then say "oh right, actually, not _all of Claude Code_, don't try and use it as a executable ... sorry, right, the subscription only works as long as you're looking at that juicy little Claude Code logo in the TUI"

The disrespect Anthropic has for their user base is constant and palpable.

[wat10000]

Subscriptions are going to leave you open to changes in the subscription terms at any time. This is especially true of AYCE subscriptions for something with a substantial marginal cost of additional usage.

If you want unrestricted and unlimited usage, it's available through the API. Complaining about the subscription like this is basically saying, I want what you're offering, but I demand it for cheaper than what you charge for it. That doesn't make any more sense here than it does at the grocery store.

[colechristensen]

This strikes me the same way the people in college who would print 497 empty pages at the end of the semester for the quota "they'd paid for" or that one guy who made lemonade at restaurants with the free lemon wedges and sugar packets. "Contempt for users" is silly. Adjusting terms to handle users who use things as not intended isn't contempt.

[mccoyb]

Contempt for users is not silly when the CEO of said company has repeatedly claimed they will replace SWEs "end-to-end" by next year.

I'm not sure what to say. You're either listening to the actions of these companies, or you're not in a place where you feel the need to be concerned be their actions.

I'm in a place where I'm concerned by their actions, and the impact that their claims and behavior have on the working environment around me.

[colechristensen]

At no point in the last 10,000 years of human civilization has there not been a developing technology that threatened to forever reshape and displace a class of labor.

Or are you also upset about the modern plight of the telephone operator, farrier, or coal miner?

[mccoyb]

I see -- and AI is just like all technologies that came before it ...

It is not a class of labor ... it is all digital labor. Do you or do you not understand this?

It is digital knowledge itself, and then all communication labor, and then all physical labor with robotics.

Is this clear to you?

[serial_dev]

Did he say they will replace SWEs, or maybe something more nuanced, that code will be written by AI tools?

Honest question from my end, I try to not read every AI related news that keeps telling me “it’s over, good luck feeding your family in 9-12 months”.

[the_other]

You could think about it this way:

All AI prices will rise soon - probably shortly after the IPOs. The new prices will be eyewatering compared with today’s. This bulling change is lengthening the time until Anthropic have to raise the subscription prices, so those of us who’re not doing 24hr claw stuff can continue to use the tools the way we’ve gotten used to.