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by userbinator 73 days ago
Trying to milk the last drop before the patents expire? H.264 patents have already expired in most of the world and the remaining ones, which might not even be necessary for the vast majority of H.264 use, are also approaching expiry very soon:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Have_the_patents_for_H.264_M...

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Milk the last drop, or raise the prices so high that people transition to a more reasonably priced option with a patent that isn’t expiring soon?
Seems unlikely, migrating away from an entrenched codec like H264 isn't like a routine software update. It has widespread hardware support, and there's an enormous body of H264 video out there.

As fhn points out, there are now truly open video codecs available (open specification, royalty free, unencumbered by patent terms) that are able to compete with the patent-encumbered ones on technical merit. Seems curious that the patent-holders would want to hike prices in this way and validate the motivation behind the truly open codecs.

Also, the article mentions the licensing fees for H265 were also increased recently. It doesn't seem to give a figure, a quick web search turns up 25% [0] or perhaps 20% [1]. Perhaps I'm missing something obvious but I'm not clear on how the change in price relates to the patent dispute between Nokia and certain laptop manufacturers.

(It seems the H264 fee increase affects streaming providers only, whereas the H265 fee increase did not, as it affected laptop manufacturers.)

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46004129

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46003285

you mean AV1?
It's interesting because this isn't that exactly the same thing Fraunhofer did with the MP3 patent?
>Trying to milk the last drop before the patents expire?

Old licenses are grandfathered in previous pricing. So this isn't about milking, but likely a tactic specifically aiming at certain companies. But I am wondering why they bother to do this at this stage of the game.

I am hoping we could further innovate on top of H.264 to have a better patent free video codec.