[dlubarov]

> And you decided that this is an argument I'm making and decided to argue against that

Then what was the point of your numeric comparison? If you agree it's a very poor signal about morality, why bring it up?

> What makes Israel a state worthy of condemnation [...]

It seems like you're just listing every random accusation you've heard that paints Israel in a bad light. Should we try this game with another country, like say Palestine?

> the assumption that since Hamas doesn't wear uniforms anyone can be a militant so this is justified

No I certainly don't think that.

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>>It seems like you're just listing every random accusation you've heard that paints Israel in a bad light

I really don't understand your train of thought. Are you saying these things didn't happen? Or they did happen but Palestine also is doing despicable things so they don't matter? Or they do matter but they aren't worth being upset about? Or it's worth being upset about them, but they shouldn't be discussed?

>>No I certainly don't think that.

Well what did you bring it up as the first point then? I said - hey I'm bothered by the fact that Israel killed 20k children in this conflict, and then you said hey I wish someone was talking more about the fact that hamas doesn't wear uniforms when fighting. Like, what is the conclusion here? That Israel is killing civilians because anyone can be a militant(since hamas militants don't wear uniforms), or.......what is the alternative?

>> If you agree it's a very poor signal about morality, why bring it up?

I don't agree with that - I just said it's a consequence of every other choice that Israel made up to this point.

[dlubarov]

I just don't see the point of engaging with a big laundry list of random accusations against Israel. Some are likely true. Urban wars aren't rainbows and butterflies, and no military is perfect. Ukraine has had a bunch of incidents with soldiers abusing and even executing POWs, should we sanction them too? US recently obliterated a girls' school, should we sanction ourselves for our mistake?

> what is the conclusion here?

Maybe something like "Israel's neighbors should probably stop attacking it", "Hamas should put on uniforms", or "countries that supposedly care about Gazans' well-being should accept war refugees"?

If your takeaway is that it's all Israel's fault, but you can't name any other military that does a better job of dealing with terrorists who embed themselves among civilians, that seems like the wrong takeaway.