[mark_l_watson]

I spent two hours doing my own research before asking for Gemini’s analysis, which reinforced my own opinion that the gemini models historically have not been trained and target for agentic coding use.

Have you tried using the new Gemma 4 models with agentic coding tools?If you do, you might end up agreeing with me.

[SparkyMcUnicorn]

I've found my research on certain topics like this becoming less reliable these days, compared to just trying it out to form an opinion.

[mark_l_watson]

I wasn’t very clear, sorry. By my ‘own research’ I meant spending 90 minutes experimenting with Gemma 4 models for tool use (good results!) and a half hour using with pi and OpenCode (I didn’t get good results, yet.)