[ma2kx]

In chess, engines have long been stronger than humans, but for a long time a (super) grandmaster with an engine was still better than an engine alone.

[theteapot]

Roughly 20y DeepBlue to AlphaZero. I don't think that is comparable though. Use of deep neural networks was what made the machines starting with AlphaZero dominant again. I.e. we're already in the new paradigm.

[NooneAtAll3]

> a (super) grandmaster with an engine was still better than an engine alone.

any examples? I'd love to watch how that went

[ma2kx]

Here is a Match where Nakamura played with Rybka against Stockfish from 2014: https://www.chess.com/news/view/stockfish-outlasts-nakamura-...

And here Nakamura still reached 4.5:3.5 vs Komodo in 2016 https://www.chess.com/news/view/komodo-beats-nakamura-in-fin...

Hikaru surely has more matches like that, but I don't know if they can be found in chess databases or if they were only streamed on YouTube.

[NooneAtAll3]

that's human+odds vs pc

GP was talking about pc+human vs pc

[ma2kx]

https://www.chess.com/news/view/stockfish-outlasts-nakamura-...

> In comparision, Nakamura had the assistance of an older version of Rybka (about 200 points less than Stockfish's 3200+ rating), and it ran on a 2008 MacBook. Of course, he also had his 20-plus years of chess knowledge in play.