[kvisner]

I find a lot of these IDEs are simply not as useful as a CLI. When I'm running a full agentic workflow, I don't really need to see the contents of the files at all time, I'd actually say I often don't need to at all, because I can't really understand 10k lines of code per hour.

[nradclif]

What role do you play in creating software? If you don't need to see any code, should your employer consider cutting your position? I'm very much pro-humans-in-the-workforce, but I can't understand how someone could be ok with doing so little at their job.

[owlstuffing]

There is a large and growing segment of executives in the software world that is pushing this model hard, like betting their career on it. To them the “dark factory” is an inevitability. As a consequence, not only are developers choosing this path, but the companies they work for are in varying degrees selecting this path for them.

[dakolli]

Most, if not all of them, are shooting themselves in the foot. I've been saying this for a long time. The only thing LLMs actually are useful for is automating labor and reducing the amount a worker can demand for their work. Don't fall for this trap.

[taberiand]

On the face of it, "10k lines of code per hour" sounds like a ridiculous metric to the point of parody.

[Matumio]

Saying how many lines of code you can write this way is also a bit like bragging that you are building world's heaviest airplane.

[bryancoxwell]

If you can’t understand your code, who can?

[owlstuffing]

It’s not their code, and it’s not for them to understand. The endgame here is that code as we know it today is the “ASM” of tomorrow. The programming language of tomorrow is natural human-spoken language used carefully and methodically to articulate what the agent should build. At least this is the world we appear to be heading toward… quickly.

[TheRoque]

But the endgame is not here and will likely never be, because unlike ASM, LLMs are not deterministic. So what happens when you need to find the bug in the 100,000k LoC you generated in a few weeks that you've never read, and the agent can't help you ? And it happens a lot. I am not doing this myself so I can't comment, but I've heard many vibe coders commenting that a lot of the commits they do is about fixing the slop they outputted a week prior.

Personally, I keep trying OpenCode + Opus 4.6 and I don't find it that good. I mean it does an OK job, but the code is definitely less quality and at the moment I care too much about my codebase to let it grow into slop.