[pineaux]

just saying: he is good at vaporware on a large scale and kind of a fucked up person. It's not weird people are skeptical. But he also has basically an endless money supply so he can throw money at problems and make them go away eventually. But his timelines are basically all lies used to get venture and retail money into the game.

[prohobo]

That describes basically all founders though, minus the endless money supply. That's how business/sales works: make promises, build product later.

Also SpaceX, Tesla, PayPal, OpenAI, Grok and Neuralink aren't vaporware...

The claim fundamentally doesn't make any sense.

[jojobas]

Cybertruck, Semi, Hyperloop, robotaxi, point-to-point rocket travel, tunnels, the list goes on.

Making promises and "it's essentially ready, it's just about regulators" are quite different, if not for Trump he'd be done for securities fraud.

[NetMageSCW]

Hyperloop was never a Musk project — it was a back of the napkin suggestion he gave away.

[prohobo]

All of those exist or are being worked on, so I don't get it. Except maybe hyperloop, which was abandoned afaik.

What are you even trying to say? That these projects are totally fake? AI generated or something? Like the Moon landing was fake?

[jojobas]

Of course they are real, just like Theranos, except that one was less fraudulent.

[NetMageSCW]

The one with sales in seven countries and over 50,000 vehicles driving on roads?