[DoctorOetker]

If that were true statistically speaking you'd see a lot more post-war violence, after vietnam war, Iraq war, ...

In truth, the bereaved will surely be angry at the bombs dropped by party X, but at the same time understand the impatience of party X towards government Y that oppressed both you and your dead family.

There is much more room for regret: regret of not openly supporting saner voices, regret of taking what seemed to be the least personally risky path, until the final conclusion proved otherwise...

Allowing your government to rot to the core and pretending citizens do not carry any responsibility is what leads to things like Nazi germany, Iran, etc...

[lenkite]

You are definitely seeing a lot more post-war violence after the American-induced wars of Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen, Lebanon, etc. You can check the statistics yourself - there IS a structural increase in conflicts. The world is seeing more simultaneous conflicts than in decades. Most of which can be laid at feet of U.S. & Israel.

The War against Iran is the most stupid conflict I have seen instigated by the U.S. Your quote of "regret of not openly supporting saner voices" should be directed at the U.S. & Israel since they launched this war. There was no cause for it except for distracting from the Epstein files and any blackmail material held by Israel.

[DoctorOetker]

You said

> Hah, wishful thinking that. If your family is wiped out by invaders, you will vow vengeance till either their death or yours.

And then changed the supposed vengeance across oceans into local vengeance when asked for evidence.

You don't go to war against a nation with a happy population: it generates a whole nation of enemies.

If you only go to war against a nation with unhappy populations, you will probably leave them as unhappy as you found them, but hopefully they can start taking matters in their own hands...

[lenkite]

> And then changed the supposed vengeance across oceans into local vengeance when asked for evidence.

Obviously it is local vengeance. And the U.S. DEEPLY fears it, no matter how many times Hegseth thumps his chest and bloviates.

Why do you think U.S. troops evacuated from all their bases and now hiding using Gulf citizens as human shields ? Because they know if they stay, they will die messily.

Why did all the aircraft carriers pulled back ? Because of "Laundry fires" ? Even the Abraham Lincoln pulled back >1000km away. Because they know if they stay, they will be sunk.

Why do you think Trump doesn't dare a ground invasion or open the Strait of Hormuz? Because the commanders know that U.S. troops will die messily in an orgy of vengeance, no matter if Trump declares the U.S. has "won" the war 20+ times.

Why do you think Trump doesn't evacuate the nuclear material - the piss-poor excuse for the war - using a special operation ? Because the commanders know that U.S. troops in any such operation will be slaughtered messily.

Why do you think Israel is taking far more casualties now after 2023 compared to earlier decades ? Because people don't really care if they live or die as long as they can take down an IDF soldier who killed their family, including children. Now Israel is losing Merkava tanks like flies in Lebanon.

Feel free to Cope Harder with your irrational and nonsensical arguments about "unhappy populations"

[DoctorOetker]

You keep changing the claims, you claimed that when people have lost their family under bombardments that they tend to swear vengeance against "the invader", countless people have lost family in the countless wars in the middle east say Iraq war, Afghanistan, etc.

Very few went to american soil to attack americans.

You ignore they didn't like people like Saddam either, Iraq is not currently in some Saddam whorship cult situation. They recognize Saddam was a dictator, and recognize the deaths of many friends and family was not the monocausal result of US bombardments. They recognize that if only they had toppled Saddam as a local population, and halted the programs adversarial to international community, it might have been avoided.

In the absence of the evidence to your claims you changed it to local violence, which certainly exists, but thats much rather local militia's or terror organizations that were sponsored by Iran. Consider how even Hamas has called on Iran to stop bombing neighbor countries indiscriminately.

We all saw how "happy" your Iranian population was during the protests that directly preceded the US/Israel attacks. We saw how the population in Iran was enjoying some good old police brutality. We saw how those protests started with Mahsa Amini's death. Something broke in Iran. People realized a government murdering their daughter with hydrogen cyanide over at the fashion police is not a desirable government. There is nothing irrational or nonsensical about calling such a population unhappy. They risked and many lost their lives to express opinions.

[DoctorOetker]

Whenever there are 2 excuses, none of them are correct: I see explanations from Epstein files, to compromat by Israel to insider trading, ... you ascribe too much power to a president and not enough to deep state actors.

[lenkite]

The U.S. President took the call to war. He bears the responsibility.

[DoctorOetker]

Nobody is interested in your monocausal scapegoat theories.