[aogaili]

The majority of nations? majority of people on earth? We are going to a multilateral world and to win a war you need secure the appeal of majority. If the majority think your war is illegal they can cut you off from the world economy.

It is a distributed consensus-based algorithm, and the young people who are writing those algorithms will shape the future of governance.

[ncruces]

The majority of the world thinks the Russia-Ukraine war is illegal.

The majority of the world thinks the Israeli/US-Iran war is illegal.

[aogaili]

You are arguing today. This is the first kind of wars we are seeing of this nature.

But Iran is hitting exactly where it hurts, global supply chain, and now the US will be pressured by the global economy to either retreat or commit a genocide.

And if all the war was drones and anti-drones today (which is not) we would have saved many lives. Look at UAE/Iran, UAE lost no live despite being hammered with drones/missiles, this is an example of drones/anti-drones future. The reason why we don't have this with the US, is because the US needs a defeat for the legacy system to die, and it seems they will get that defeat soon. Actually they are already defeated, Trump said he is retreating in 3 weeks while achieving nothing but destruction.

[RiverStone]

Your casual usage of the word “genocide” doesn’t apply to Iran.

Iranians are dramatically in favor of removing the theocratic Islamic regime. Iranian expats the world over celebrated Khamenei’s death.

My Iranian mother-in-law living in Tehran has literally been saying “get the mullahs out” every time we’ve spoken for the last year. Millions of Iranians inside Iran are thankful that the US (and even Israel despite the complicated relationship) is attacking the regime.

This is a regime, after all, that killed thousands of its own people. That requires girls to fully cover themselves. That doesn’t allow singing or dancing in the street.

Achieved nothing? Go talk to a real Iranian, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Iranians the world over have felt hope for the first time in over 40 years that they may get their country back. And we absolutely should not stop trying to help them.

[aogaili]

Yeah, I grew up in Iraq, under more ruthless dictator that fought Iran. You are naive if you thank Israel/US are here to free Iran.

A government won't last that long if there were to genuine supports. The fact you are outside of Iran and have some people there, doesn't make you more knowledgeable, it makes you westernized and you voted to leave with your own feet.

[RiverStone]

From my conversations, Iranians don’t really care if Israel/US are specifically there to “free Iran”. Iranians are pragmatic, they understand that US/Israel have their own motives.

As long as the regime is being destroyed, that’s a win. And that’s happening, big time. That’s why Iranians danced in the street when Khamenei was killed.

[lazide]

Hoho ho. Hardly helped anyone in Bakmut eh?

And hardly how China or India are likely to work too.

That future you seem to think is inevitable is very far from it:

[aogaili]

What this had to with with my arguments regarding the nature of future warfare, the emerging world economical order?

There is no point in history where we had such connected economies and this kind of autonomous war technology. All previous wars were fought by human bodies. We are witnessing the first generation of wars that becoming completely autonomous.

[lazide]

There seems to be an assumption of ‘power to the people’, and ‘just world’, that just doesn’t seem to match reality at all.

That’s what I am responding too.

[aogaili]

Where is the assumptions? it is not just world. It is a world ruled by constrains and for better or worse human nature.

There is no people involved at all, in fact my argument is that there will be no people involved in wars..I'm just extrapolating on the what we are seeing today. Also nobody really understands reality fully not predict the future. We are just speculating here on what might happen. You surely don't understand reality and you said you can't imagine anything else.

Alright, so in your mind the world and future war will stay the same, regardless of drones, robotics and AI. Frankly, I don't understand what your argument is other than saying fantasy and doesn't match the reality that somehow you know more.

[ncruces]

The goal of war is to subjugate others to your will through suffering.

That will not change, and I'm not sure how you expect that to work with zero human involvement.

[aogaili]

Again, you don't understand my argument at all.

Of course the goal of the war is to make others to submit by force and pain. That's obvious

But you missing my point.

If in the near future multilateral system, governed by AI, drones and robotics. A war is nothing more than a war of attrition between economies, then in a global interconnected economy with scarce energy, it will become an absurd proposition because one nation can't cause significant bleed in other without bleeding itself.

Without human involvement and other players forces energy leakage in the global economy, it's not hard to see how. In fact we are seeing right now. It's why Trump is pulling back.