[tluyben2]

Having seen millions of lines of code for 'established business building products' I don't see that at all. I understand it, but hardly ever see it in practice. Code is generally 'bad' unless it has been refactored a lot (!) of times. Which most systems don't undergo as it's not a business concern (agile) for management.

[greenyoda]

It's not a concern for management until the code becomes so hard to maintain that adding the simplest feature takes months and introduces dozens of bugs.

[mattdeboard]

So very damn true. I'm trying to unclusterf*ck this in our codebase.

[tluyben2]

Yep. That's why I think people are slightly naive thinking that 'code in bigger companies' (vs MVP/startups) is generally good. I believe, from experience and anecdotal evidence, that it's generally not and that OP should just rather deliver than worry about 'bad programming'.