[pedroma]

>Why do I have to prefer one over the other? I don't like the way either is behaving on the world stage, and each for different reasons.

This is the perfect encapsulation of what I mean in my original response to you. This IS the popular European sentiment. And this is what is off-putting to many Americans. The weight of China and the US is not even worth preference, despite the US having contributed positively to the Ukrainian conflict and European defense. We are not even WORTHY of being placed above China, we're either just as bad or worse is the typical response I see.

[jacquesm]

You seem to be completely out of touch with the way the USA has been behaving towards the EU as of late, maybe get with the times and then report back.

Last I checked China hasn't threatened to take over either Canada or Greenland, has not started any major wars for which they expect the EU to pay for cleaning up their mess, has reasonably sane leadership and on top of that has been a fairly trustworthy business partner that does not engage in whim driven economic warfare. They also have a bunch of very dark sides that I am going to assume we are all familiar with.

I really wonder why you think that the USA should be given a free pass for what it has done in the last decade.

And that's before we get into human rights issues and other 'details'. Comparing yourself to China is not the flex you think it is.

Your bio says that "Farming negative karma is not trolling when you're expressing your honest views." and that's all fine, you have a right to your honest views but if they're indistinguishable from trolling to the point that you feel you need to pre-empt that classification then maybe HN is not the place for you?

[SideburnsOfDoom]

I think that one of the reasons for this "popular European sentiment" is the purely emotional one - it's emotionally more affecting when someone who was a close friend starts behaving badly towards you, than when someone who was a colleague with no close relationship remains thus.

The the popular European sentiment is understandable and IMHO correct though. Saying "it's off-putting" is no in way a coherent argument that it's wrong.

[jacquesm]

Indeed, it is breaking trust.

[watwut]

Europe has oil crisis right now because of an illegal war USA started, not because of China. Also, China did not locked accounts of international court justices, it was USA.

One of these two countries is an unpredictable threat and danger right now. The other is predictable threat in the future.

[u8080]

>illegal war

LOL

[watwut]

Yes, international law exists and this war is illegal. Simple as that.

[u8080]

EU is so high on bureaucracy they unironically believe their "international" facade organizations legitimate mass killings.

[SideburnsOfDoom]

> This IS the popular European sentiment. And this is what is off-putting to many Americans.

You're not saying that it's wrong though. Just that you don't like it. So what, that means nothing. It's not wrong. Rejecting reality because it's "off-putting" will not help you.