[spoiler]

Random aside: I've seen a 2015 game be accused of AI slop on Steam because it used a similar concept... And mind you, there's probably thousands of games that do this.

First it was punctuation and grammar, then linguistic coherence, and now it's tiny bits of whimsy that are falling victim to AI accusations. Good fucking grief

[moron4hire]

To me, this is a sign of just how much regular people do not want AI. This is worse than crypto and metaverse before it. Crypto, people could ignore and the dumb ape pictures helped you figure out who to avoid. Metaverse, some folks even still enjoyed VR and AR without the digital real estate bullshit. And neither got shoved down your throat in everyday, mundane things like writing a paper in Word or trying to deal with your auto mechanic.

But AI is causing such visceral reactions that it's bleeding into other areas. People are so averse to AI they don't mind a few false positives.

[bonoboTP]

It's how people resisted CGI back in the day. What people dislike is low quality. There is a loud subset who are really against it on principle like we also have people who insist on analog music but regular people are much more practical but they don't post about this all day on the internet.

[trial3]

perhaps one important detail is that cassette tape guys and Lucasfilm aren’t/weren’t demanding a complete and total restructuring of the economy and society

[runarberg]

An excellent observation. When films became digital the real backlash came when they stopped distributing film for the old film projectors and every movie theaters had to invest in a very expensive DCP projectors. Some couldn’t and were forced to shut down.

If I had lost my local movie theater because of digital film, I would have a really good reason to hate the technology, even though the blame is on the studios forcing that technology on everyone.

[runarberg]

It is not. People resisted bad CGI. During the advent of CGI people celebrated the masterpiece of the Matrix and even Titanic. They hated however the Scorpion King.

[moron4hire]

No, I don't think most people are really against AI Gen works "on principle". Or at least not in any interpretation of "on principle" that would allow for you to be dismissive of complaints in this way.

I think principles are important. Especially when it comes to art, principle might be all we have. Going back to the crypto example, NFTs were art that real people had made. In some cases, very good art. People railed against NFTs despite the quality of the art. That is being against something on-principle. Comparatively, if my local grocery chains were owned by neonazis, I'd have a much harder time of standing on principle, giving that doing so may have a negative impact on my ability to survive and prosper.

AI Gen works, on the other hand, most often do not come with readily available marking that it is AI Gen. What people are complaining about is the lack of quality in the work. If they accuse a poorly human-written article of being AI Gen, that's just a mistake. But the general case is a legitimate evaluation of the quality of the material and the conditions under which it was made and presented.

In my own case, while I certainly have plenty of "principled" reasons to dislike AI Gen works, I also dislike it because it's just garbage. Oh yeah, sure, it's impressive that a computer can spit out reasonable content at all. It would equally be impressive for a chimpanzee to start talking in full sentences. That doesn't mean I'm going to start going to the chimpanzee for dissertations on the human condition.

[Gigachad]

Not really. The scale is entirely different. I think less of someone as a person if they send me AI slop.

[andrekandre]

  > I think less of someone as a person if they send me AI slop.

n=1 but working on side projects for others, i could easily generate ai images (instead of using stock photos) for a client, but i resist because i also feel this but as the sender...

there is the fact that such images 'look ai' but even if it were perfect, idk somehow i feel cheap doing that.

[Gigachad]

Agreed. Even in low value stuff I’d so much rather use basic stock images, ms paint drawings or almost anything over AI images. Seeing them is almost like being near someone who stinks or is sick/coughing. It’s a very visceral reaction.

[gunsle]

I think literally everyone could agree CGI has been detrimental to the quality of films.

[Levitz]

"Literally everyone" can't even agree on whether Polio is bad.

I myself would disagree that CGI itself is a bad thing.

[xnorswap]

Not just in the obvious ways either, even good CGI has been detrimental to the film (and TV) making process.

I was watching some behind the scenes footage from something recently, and the thing that struck me most was just how they wouldn't bother with the location shoot now and just green-screen it all for the convenience.

Even good CGI is changing not just how films are made, but what kinds of films get shot and what kind of stories get told.

Regardless of the quality of the output, there's a creativeness in film-making that is lost as CGI gets better and cheaper to do.

[andrekandre]

it may be an unpopular opinion but i feel like that watching any of the marvel movies... its like its just a showcase for green screens and ridiculous rubber-band acrobatics cgi everywhere...

that kind if stuff might work in anime or cartoons, but live action just looks ridiculous to me for the most part.

[delecti]

I could maybe agree in the sense of "has had detrimental effects", but certainly not in the sense of "net detrimental".

[sanex]

Project Hail Mary is a great example of not relying on CGI.

[NitpickLawyer]

Anecdata-- from me. I think cgi can be a net positive.

[CamperBob2]

90% of the time, you wouldn't know CGI if you saw it. That's the 'good' CGI.

Same thing is true of AI output.

[runarberg]

Not the same. The more effort you put into CGI the more invisible it becomes. But you can’t prompt your way out of hallucinations and other AI artifacts. AI is a completely different technology from CGI. There is no equivalence between them.

[CamperBob2]

But you can’t prompt your way out of hallucinations and other AI artifacts

That's not the case, and hasn't been for some time, but it sounds like your mind's made up.

[Ferret7446]

I guarantee you have encountered AI content and not realized it was AI. I assume you've heard of the survivorship bias?

[sunaookami]

No there is a very loud minority of users who are very anti AI that hate on anything that is even remotely connected to AI and let everyone know with false claims. See the game Expedition 33 for example.

[neutronicus]

Especially true in gaming communities.

IMO it's a combination of long-running paranoia about cost-cutting and quality, and a sort of performative allegiance to artists working in the industry.

[Ferret7446]

And E33 is also a good example that these users are a minority and effectively immaterial. They don't affect sales or the popular opinion.

People don't care about AI. They only care whether the product is good.

[Levitz]

And yet, no game has problems selling due to these reactions. As a matter of fact, the vast majority of people can't even tell if AI has been used here or there unless told.

I reckon it's just drama paraded by gaming "journalists" and not much else. You will find people expressing concern on Reddit or Bluesky, but ultimately it doesn't matter.

[PunchyHamster]

All that is needed to solve that is to reliably put AI disclaimer on things done by AI

Which of course won't be done because corporations don't want that (except Valve I guess), so blame them.

[foobarchu]

> all that needs to be done

The honor system is never a sustainable solution. It's not even down to corporate greed, it's just not something that works at scale, especially when there's money to be made, and even more especially when there isn't.

[Ferret7446]

And all that's needed for world peace is for everyone to stop fighting.

Which of course won't happen because we live in reality and not fantasy where we can dream that "people should just do X"