[NeutralForest]

I would love to use Clojure but there are basically no jobs in my area with the language. Seems like the Nordics like Clojure but I'd need to move.

The very good backwards compatibility is attractive but as the result of the small community, there's also a lot of abandoned packages and fewer QoL packages (formatters, linters, etc); I know there are some but for example I had setup `cljfmt` in Emacs and it wouldn't work, didn't look further.

[malloryerik]

VS Code and its forks (Cursor, Antigravity, etc.) have Calva, a fantastic REPL with excellent linter Kondo. These are amazing tools; formatting is the very least of it. You don't need Emacs. I personally using VS Code + Doom Emacs. Also, many packages that look abandoned are simply mature. You can literally use ten year old packages.

I'm not a hot shot programmer, entirely self-taught but a decent architect who thinks hard about problems, and with LLM agents Clojure shines for me. There are some fantastic databases also starting with Datomic -- free now thanks to Nubank -- and everything inspired by it and the Clojure flavor of Datalog. These include Datalevin, Datahike, DataScript, XTDB. Datomic itself is probably best for enterprise though there's now an embedded version.

But I'm pretty convinced that most LLMs I've used are more reliable with Clojure (and Elixir) than with most of the popular languages, and I can say they use Datalog extremely well, seemingly much better than SQL despite the vast difference in corpus size. For one thing Datalog just gets rid of joins issues.

[jwr]

> I would love to use Clojure but there are basically no jobs in my area with the language

I created my own job :-)

(although there are Clojure jobs in my area)

[NeutralForest]

Always a solution ofc!

[weavejester]

cljfmt is included with both Clojure-LSP and CIDER, so if you have either installed it should work out of the box.

With LSP mode the standard `lsp-format-region` and `lsp-format-buffer` commands should work, and on the CIDER side `cider-format-defun`, `cider-format-region` and `cider-format-buffer` should also invoke cljfmt.

[NeutralForest]

Hey! Thanks for creating the package =) I'll need to try the integration again.

[weavejester]

I'll add a note to the cljfmt README to tell people about these commands, as your experience shows that it might not be obvious to people that they likely already have access to cljfmt in Emacs as a result of using LSP or CIDER.

[waffletower]

There are still Clojure remote positions. Thankfully, I have used Clojure professionally long enough that my core ability shouldn't atrophy too much now that we have moved away from it at my current position. I am looking forward to Jank actually.

[NeutralForest]

Why did you move from it if I may ask?

[waffletower]

There were multiple reasons at our company -- my particular team, all skilled Clojurists, decided to default to python last year for a variety of reasons including both AI code generation suitability and AI model utilization in our code bases; the latter is of high relevance for our particular work. While I find Clojure to be among the best languages for interacting with LLMs via API, it is awkward for interacting with local models directly. Of all on the team, I was probably most open to a polyglot approach.

[jwr]

> AI code generation

Incidentally, I am having great success using AI with Clojure. In fact, from what I read online, better than most. I'm not sure if it's due to Clojure's terseness (and hence, token economy), or other reasons, but it works very, very well.

[waffletower]

I agree -- all modern frontier models I have tested generate Clojure very well.

[NeutralForest]

Fair enough!