[kadoban]

There's better things to dump instead of Apollo if you want a basically functioning society. Pick your couple of least favorite wars of choice in America's recent history. Apollo at least gave the country hope and showed that we could accomplish big ideas.

[throwaway27448]

But—we clearly can't accomplish basic things. That's my point

[bdamm]

No country has eliminated homelessness.

But only one country landed a man on the moon.

What is progress exactly?

[salawat]

And the reason why is those things must be profitable, and once you accept everything must be profitable, there is no ceiling to exploitation. Whereas with big things like Apollo, we didn't do it because it would make money. We did it because we decided it was the right thing to do.

Stop being a capitalist hellhole, and maybe try being a country that happens to operate under bounded capitalism, and just maybe, maybe, you can see some of that progress.

But what am I saying, cmon, that'll never happen.

[lclc]

The US in the 1960s was more capitalist than it is now (by governement size, spending, taxation, regulation and economic freeodm, too-big-to-fail, etc.).

There has to be profit first to be able to fund big things like Apollo. Profit is good.