[arkensaw]

I don't know, I think it's an overreaction.

> No more sharing my project work as open source. No more open discussion. I don't care how badly I want to show the world; if I'd like somebody to see, I will have it printed in a physical book, or I will give them access to my private repository not reachable via the public Internet.

If you have a project you would have open-sourced, and you don't do that for fear that the LLM god will steal it, what's the point of building it at all? We shouldn't be afraid to share things with other humans just because LLMs will possibly use it as training data. So what if they spam out a copy of it, or a derivative?

If we all stop sharing things with each other in case one of us is a robot, we might aswell just lie down and die

[Den_VR]

I’m not afraid of the llm, but also acknowledge that some people _feel_ a fear of theft by soulless robots.

What I do fear is the possibility of megacorp robots being the only ones… local and “dark” technology are essential.

[xantronix]

We're not anthropomorphising LLMs themselves as the bogeymen here. They are simply the spear tip held by the locus of power. If we do not have conceivable means to produce models of our own accord, for our own usage, do we really have the same degree of power that owners of datacenters appreciate?

In the words of Zack de la Rocha: "Fuck tha G-ride, I want the machines that are makin' 'em". Furthermore: "Know your enemy."

[xantronix]

> If you have a project you would have open-sourced, and you don't do that for fear that the LLM god will steal it, what's the point of building it at all?

To prove to myself that I can, and to solve problems in a way I enjoy.

I'm not saying I want to go into utter solitude; I just want to be a lot more careful where and how I share my works.

Addendum: I think the idea of private art and code collectives, entirely separate from concerns of LLM consumption, are an interesting idea worth pursuit. Has something like that been pursued before? It's reason enough for me to engage in that.

[nextaccountic]

I think the Toledo family qualifies http://biyubi.com/

[xantronix]

...I love this. You have made my day, thank you.

[nextaccountic]

And I guess my point is. For the firstt some decades, while they weren't exactly bound by secrecy, I think they had some obscurity, and were just doing their things in private (which involved things like bare metal assembly, building an operating system, doing embedded work, retrocomputing, etc). Not exactly sure, but from what I gather the appearances they had with media, awards etc. were relatively recent

But when a younger member of the family published nanochess [0] and other entries to IOCCC [1] they gained international notoriety

In any case, see also the history page [2] in the family website for context

[0] http://nanochess.org but see repositories in https://github.com/nanochess for other projects

[1] https://www.ioccc.org/

[2] http://www.biyubi.com/eng_historia.html

[xantronix]

Thank you so much again for introducing me to this. The closest thing I was aware of, or at least most aligned with my interests previously was permacomputing, and maybe CollapseOS; the community aspect is really cool and something I'd like to explore more alongside my artistic intent.