[stavros]

My Framework 13 is a bit long in the tooth. I can pay 529 EUR to get a new mainboard and keep the same case/battery/speakers/camera/keyboard/mouse/screen/etc. Or, I can replace the keyboard for 32 EUR.

It's not just repairs, to upgrade a Mac you have to throw away all that perfectly working hardware just to get a new mainboard.

[gertop]

> I can pay 529 EUR to get a new mainboard and keep the same case/battery/speakers/camera/keyboard/mouse/screen/etc.

Or you can spend 50 euros more and get an entire new laptop that is not only much more powerful than your old framework but is almost as repairable: the neo.

At some point your argument begins to work against you, you should just have talked about the keyword repair being cheap. Not how you can get a new motherboard for "only" 530 euros.

[exo762]

> Or you can spend 50 euros more and get an entire new laptop that is not only much more powerful than your old framework but is almost as repairable: the neo.

You forget to mention - less powerful than his old FW 13 with new mainboard/CPU.

[aurareturn]

I assume he's referring to the AMD AI 340 for 530 euros.[0]

Macbook Neo 31% faster ST speed and a bit slower on the MT.[1]

I wouldn't call the Neo less powerful than his 530 euros upgrade. In fact, I'd much rather have the faster ST speed in this kind of laptop. Most of the apps you're running with this class of laptops will be ST bound anyway.

You can literally get a brand new Macbook Neo using Apple EDU pricing for the price of a slower AMD motherboard upgrade. This is why Framework is an absolutely terrible deal overall. I'm not even convinced that Framework is better for the environment since Apple laptops last extremely long and will very often have second and third hand buyers.

[0]https://frame.work/nl/en/products/mainboard-amd-ai300?v=FRAN...

[1]https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/17360869?baseli...