[tonymet]

AI might have been an opportunity to take engineer hubris down a knotch. Perhaps to reassess the excesses (bad performance, bad UX, poor reliability, costly development & operations, etc) . Instead of reflection, we decided to shame AI as vibe coding .

How much abysmal code and products have we all shipped? Exploitative, clumsy , dangerous, vulnerable? What was our excuse?

I find the entire anti-vibe coding movement to be terribly tacky and judgmental.

We have an incredible tool that could 10-100x productivity. We should be using it to fix all of the terrible software we’ve made over the past 20 years. Instead there are 2-3 camps. People building stuff, people hyping AI and people shaming the first 2.

Sad, really.

[bluefirebrand]

> How much abysmal code and products have we all shipped?

> We should be using it to fix all of the terrible software we’ve made over the past 20 years. Instead there are 2-3 camps. People building stuff, people hyping AI and people shaming the first 2.

This seems like an odd take. The pro who are using and hyping AI are not fixing all of the crap we put out the last 20 years. They are putting the gas pedal on the amount of crap being shipped

I don't think anyone except the most die hard AI lovers truly believe is producing high quality work on the balance. It is absolutely producing more but worse output than we've ever seen before

Even if it is capable of producing high quality work, you have to realize that most people using it are not capable of getting it to produce work of that quality. Nor do they seem to really care to

[tonymet]

I don’t disagree. But what is the detractors’ goal? What will the shaming accomplish? The tools are here and can be used for good or ill.

Think about the 90s PC revolution, opening up developer opportunities. There were commercial devs and open source devs. The open source devs decided to put the new resources and tools to use to evangelize computing . And in many ways won.

We have new tools now, and can put them to good use. Moaning from the sidelines is a losing strategy.

[bluefirebrand]

> Think about the 90s PC revolution, opening up developer opportunities

I don't think the general arc of computing since the 90s has been good for humanity

As a detractor, that's my goal. I want to undermine this garbage technology that is actively making life worse for the majority of people while enriching a vanishingly small segment of humans at our expense

[tonymet]

I imagine we agree on a number of aspects .

[wulfstan]

I am currently wrestling a vibe-coded codebase into a shippable state and we should call these tools out for what they actually are - technical debt generators.

[tonymet]

do tell. why not just revibe based on the newly revealed requirements?