[bl4ckneon]

I think you missed many important points.

"The trauma, loss of liberty, and reputational damage cannot be easily fixed,” Lipps' lawyers told CNN in an email.

That sounds a LOT like a statement you make for before suing for damages, not to mention they literally say "Her lawyers are exploring civil rights claims but have yet to file a lawsuit, they said."

This lady probably just wants to go back to normal life and get some money for the hell they put her in. She has never been on a airplane before, I doubt she is going to take on the entire system like you suggest. Easier said than done to "challenge the entire system", what does that even mean exactly?

[3eb7988a1663]

It was worse than that, the reporting from an earlier story[0]

  ...Unable to pay her bills from jail, she lost her home, her car and even her dog.

There is not a jury in the country that will side against the woman. I am not even sure who will make the best pop culture mashup - John Wick or a country song writer?

(Also, what happened to journalism - no Oxford comma?)

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47356968

[cguess]

As an aside AP Style is not use an Oxford comma, and that's been the rule for 50+ years https://www.prnewsonline.com/explainer-how-to-use-oxford-com...

[3eb7988a1663]

This is upsetting.

[erikerikson]

Yes, finding out how badly wrong you were is never fun. Of course the lack of ubiquitous Oxford comma use is itself and separately displeasing.

[krferriter]

AP Style is simply wrong on this, then.

[kbelder]

Well, omitting the Oxford comma is the traditionally correct thing to do. I use the Oxford comma, it makes sense, but it is new. A hundred years ago it would have been considered an error by nearly every editor.

[frankharv]

Indeed let out on Christmas Eve with no money 1000 miles from your homeland.

Where your home was lost to foreclosure because one JUDGE did not look at the paperwork.

There should be a way to personally sue somebody when they don't do their job. Protecting the innocent. The JUDGE failed badly here.

Flimsy evidence would mean no warrant. Do your basic investigation please... Rubberstamping JUDGE caused this.

Why are they not named? Like they are a spectator. Infact they are the cause.

[fc417fc802]

TBF isn't it rather unreasonable that our system permits your home to be foreclosed while you're detained prior to a hearing?

Also rather unreasonable to arrest someone who is clearly neither violent nor a flight risk. You could literally hold the trial via video conference at that point and there would be no downside.

[FireBeyond]

At the risk of sounding like more of an anarchist (irony, autocorrect went with absurdist which isn’t entirely wrong either) than I might usually feel, that all depends on who you believe the system is for and works for? If you believe it’s “capitalism” as been so often proven, then it could be said that it’s entirely “reasonable”.

[rootusrootus]

> depends on who you believe the system is for and works for

We are still enough of a democracy to blame ourselves for this. We could choose that the system is of the people, by the people, for the people. I think too many of us simply don't agree with that, except in the narrow situation where we are talking about ourself.

[deaux]

We could just overcome the tens of billions shoved into our faces aimed at undermining it and brainwashing us, and choose that the system is of the people?

The deck is so unbelievably stacked against it.

Another thing: many people hav e been permitted to vote in let's say 40 elections (at different levels), out of which maybe 1 had a candidate that indeed supported a "system that is of the people", and 39 didn't. Gets tough then doesn't it.

[segmondy]

You have more faith in the country than I do.

[3eb7988a1663]

Normally, I would be a bit more grim, but people love their animals. I pray even the staunchest authoritarian would see the injustice of losing a dog.

[deaux]

You're not aware of Noem killing her dog by shooting it in the face, lining up three horses and shooting them, while being proud of it all?

[konfusinomicon]

iirc the dog was a dangerous animal and had attacked people and animals uprovoked quite a few times. didnt hear about it so not sure about the horses, but typically people dont just execute horses when they aren't injured or at risk of living out a traumatic existence. who knows, media spins and all that jazz, but I wouldn't hesitate to end a liability of a dangerous dog or a horse in suffering that had no chance of recovery, however reluctant id feel in the moment

[redeeman]

anyone in the chain of responsibility should be punished so severely that they will be still crying about it in 2030

[cogman10]

The real problem here is she'll get money, who knows how much, but that ultimately does nothing to actually address the problems in the system.

Effectively it just raises taxes to cover the cost of these failed prosecutions.

Everytime one of these cases happens, a cop and a prosecutor should be out of a job permanently. Possibly even jailed. The false arrest should lose the cop their job and get them blacklisted, the prosecution should lose the prosecutor's right to practice law.

And if the police union doesn't like that and decides to strike, every one of those cops should simply be fired. Much like we did to the ATC. We'd be better off hiring untrained civilians as cops than to keep propping up this system of warrior cops abusing the citizens.

[FireBeyond]

> The false arrest should lose the cop their job and get them blacklisted

There is actually a federal register for LEOs that have been terminated for cause or resigned to avoid termination.

The police unions that operate in the jurisdictions that employ 70% of US police have negotiated into their CBAs that the register “cannot be used for hiring or promotional decisions”. Read into that what you will.

[cogman10]

I'm generally pretty for unions, but the police union is one that's a complete cancer on society. It pretty much solely exists to make sure cops are free to harm the public without any sort of accountability.

[rootusrootus]

Agreed. And I think we really, really need to put more effort into a "police the police" organization. Someone who has power only over the police, who the police do not have power over, to act as a check.

[1718627440]

We might call this the administration of the executive. Maybe we can vote for that or something.

[rootusrootus]

> police unions

... test my support for the idea of unionization. I have even said in the past that I think public sector unions are especially important because their boss (the people) are the most capricious and malicious of all.

Maybe we could find a way to put guardrails on what they could and could not negotiate into a contract. Wages, benefits, basic job environmental conditions, stuff like that -- okay. But administrative policies which exist to prevent bad behavior should be non-negotiable.

[mrguyorama]

It's not the police union's fault that there is literally zero pushback against them.

Somehow Teacher unions have near zero power but cops can collectively bargain for the right to murder people to get a paid vacation.

It isn't because they have a union. Most of them don't have more than a high school diploma and minimal training. You can replace them with ease. A strike shouldn't even be considered a threat. They often can't strike, and their normal threat is work to rule, ie follow the law.

It isn't the police union that keeps judges from throwing the book at cops. It isn't the police union that keeps 40% of the country rabidly insistent that gently reforming police would turn this country to ash. It isn't the union that forces them to die in car crashes far more often than they ever face lethal violence.

A union isn't magically powerful and never can be. The employer can always just replace the members. Funny how that keeps unions in check for such skilled jobs as Teachers and Bureaucrats and Nurses and ATC employees, but for people who usually have just a high school diploma and a few weeks of training suddenly it's impossible call the strike's bluff? I hear TSA bodies are desperate for work.

It's a narrative. Police unions are allowed to exist to encourage you to hate unions. Police unions have correctly identified that nobody even attempts to push back against them and are simply doing their job: Advocating for their members. You aren't required to accept a Union's terms. America is chock full of better trained private security that would be happy to scalp a police force.

Hell, police departments are often run by political candidates. Why don't the pro-union ones just get voted out by supposedly anti-union people?

[cogman10]

What makes police unions different from other unions is cops have a lot more power to make life miserable for their political enemies. They have effectively a legal right to harass anyone they'd like.

The worst a teachers union can do is strike.

Cops can assault and murder people then claim self defense. It's unlikely another cop will arrest them, and it's unlikely a prosecutor will actually do their job in prosecuting them.

This sort of undue power is what enabled Joe Arpaio to setup a concentration camp. That's somewhat the extreme of what cops can do. And he did, eventually, get prosecuted for it (though he was pardoned). But that was literally after years of those sorts of stunts. [1]

I can guarantee that Arpaio isn't the only corrupt cop out there. He just got too much national attention which ultimately ended his career.

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20101020184811/http://www.kpho.c...