[dyauspitr]

Stop driving their ICE vehicle. Anti car doesn’t fly in America. People want their big spaces, privacy and most don’t want to live in cooped up apartments and spend the majority of their life within walking and public transport distance.

[rainsford]

I wonder how much is truly preference at this point rather than societal inertia. Actual walkable cities with good public transit are incredibly rare in the US and as a result tend to be very expensive (which itself should tell you something about demand). Most Americans have no choice but to live in an area that requires a car for daily life. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would choose the car dependent lifestyle even if given the choice not to, but the demand for alternatives is probably higher than you think.

I also think there's a very reasonable middle ground where people can still practically have and use a car but it's not required literally every time you leave your house. Personally I think giving up my car would be a bridge too far since I like road trips and drives out to hiking areas and things like that, but I also find it unfortunate that there are limited options of affordable places to live where I don't need a car to do everything.

[xp84]

I see you here - you make very good points. It just seems like economically it’s too hard to manifest more of those pleasant, walkable cities and neighborhoods into existence in a way that they aren’t just as costly to live in as the existing ones. You can’t just build Williamsburg on the next available spot of land next to the last suburb, because no one will want to live there without a car when there isn’t a subway right in the neighborhood to take them to Manhattan in 25 minutes.

So, they just aren’t making many net new walkable cities or converting previously car-dependent ones into walkable paradises. The only newly-built ones are built on insanely expensive land (because of the proximity to great transit and/or very high paying jobs), so they’re really only feasible for people with at least $250k annual incomes, which isn’t most people. I think a lot of people know all this instinctively and therefore are against even talking about it because they see it as an unsolvable problem.

[dyauspitr]

Yeah I see your point. I think only NYC and Chicago are truly walkable cities that we have in the US and yes different people have different preferences. I find that a lot of people in the US do not want to live the walkable city lifestyle once they hit their mid late 30s but I’m sure they are plenty of people to do and it would be nice for them to have more options to move to in that case. I loved living in Manhattan for 10 years when I was in my 20s but now in my 30s, I would not want to go back and do that again. I really appreciate having a lot of property and the freedom that comes with having a car and being able to just go anywhere you want and not having to rely on fixed public transit routes. Usually when you say something like this people come back with you can just rent a car when you need one, but that added inconvenience of having to rent a car means you’re just not going to do it the vast majority of the time.